TRUCK RECALL?!?!?!?
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From: C. E. White on 15 Feb 2010 08:49 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:iMWdnXE8qeXi1-rWnZ2dnUVZ_tpi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/13/2010 04:19 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:hl5f5n$l03$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> ....This is not as major a recall as the frames; the first round >>> was >>> 1996 or 97 to 2003, huundreds of thousands of trucks Toyota bought >>> back >>> for 150% of Kelley Blue Book, but a lot of them promptly bought a >>> new >>> Tacoma... >>> >>> Only to find out a year or two later it ALSO had a Dana frame that >>> could >>> rot prematurely! >> >> Dana makes frames for lots of companies. Why does it seem only the >> Toyota frames are so bad there are recalls for them? >> >> Google the following: >> * rusting Toyota frame recall - 3,420,000 hits >> * rusting Ford frame recall - 478,000 hits, and most were actually >> talking about the Toyota rusting frames >> * rusting Chevrolet frame recall - 1,840,00 hits, and again most of >> them >> were actually talking about Rusting Toyota frames >> >> Try it for yourself... >> >> Given the fact that Ford and Chevrolet have each sold more than 10 >> times >> as many trucks as Toyota, don't you think if they had the same sort >> of >> problem with rusting frames, there be more complaints about them on >> the >> internet? >> >> You guys need to quit drinking the Toyota kool-aid. They have >> repeatedly >> shown disregard for there Customer and have to be dragged kicking >> and >> screaming into doing the right thing. >> >> Ed >> > > frod just buries their mistakes. literally. OK, so let's say Ford is horrible. Does this excuse Toyota for being worse? For years some people have been sold the idea that Toyotas had exceptional quality. I never believed it (but I don't think Toyotas are particularly bad either). Now, when it has become apparent that Toyota has problems just like every other manufacturer, some people try to defend Toyota by pointing out that other manufacturers have had recalls also. So what? How this make Toyota look good? Throwing mud at Ford or GM isn't going to fix one Toyota. Pretending that Toyota doesn't have problems is encouraging Toyota executives to continue there past deceitful practices. Ed
From: C. E. White on 15 Feb 2010 08:51 "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.14.01.38.10.609000(a)e86.GTS... > So that makes TWICE Dana has screwed Toyota, first on the frames and > now > on driveshafts. Interesting how you are willing to blame Dana for screwing Toyota but not balme Toyota for screwing their Customers... Ed
From: jim on 15 Feb 2010 09:40 jim beam wrote: > > but you're confusing frames with driveshafts. different materials. In the newsgroup I am posting to nobody has until now has mentioned anything about steel frames. The first post in the thread that i see said: "I think I heard they're recalling Toyota trucks because the front propellor shaft can separate (probably at the U-joint...)" > > > Did you know > > what you were talking about when you said "there's nothing special about > > ductile iron that would necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a > > usa casting." ? > > actually, i know quite a bit about steel production and processing. > someone would need a real special reason to import ingot from japan. > commodity "ductile iron" ain't it. It doesn't sound like you know much about steel. You definitely don't know much about cast irons either. Ductile iron is not a commodity it is material that is produced as a result of the casting process. -jim > > > > > > > > >> the materials use in manufacture are not the same in both. > >> > >> -- > >> nomina rutrum rutrum > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 15 Feb 2010 11:00 On 02/15/2010 06:40 AM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> >> but you're confusing frames with driveshafts. different materials. > > In the newsgroup I am posting to nobody has until now has mentioned > anything about steel frames. then you're not reading the thread! > > The first post in the thread that i see said: > > "I think I heard they're recalling Toyota trucks > because the front propellor shaft can separate > (probably at the U-joint...)" see above. > > >> >>> Did you know >>> what you were talking about when you said "there's nothing special about >>> ductile iron that would necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a >>> usa casting." ? >> >> actually, i know quite a bit about steel production and processing. >> someone would need a real special reason to import ingot from japan. >> commodity "ductile iron" ain't it. > > It doesn't sound like you know much about steel. You definitely don't > know much about cast irons either. Ductile iron is not a commodity it > is material that is produced as a result of the casting process. whoa. wow. evidently you simply don't know what you don't know. but we already know you've not read this thread or you'd have bothered with the cites i gave earlier. > > -jim > > >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> the materials use in manufacture are not the same in both. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> nomina rutrum rutrum >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 15 Feb 2010 11:01
On 02/15/2010 04:09 AM, dr_jeff wrote: > Mike Hunter wrote: >> Do you own homework. Search the US Department of Commerce site to >> discover where Toyota get its steel and all of its other materials, WBMA. > > That's wouldn't be my advice. The US Department of Commerce doesn't post > where different companies get their materials. Nor does it post what > products a particular batch of steel goes into. Those would be > considered trade secrets. If I am wrong, all you have to do is post the > URL of the site. > >> You could subscribe to any number of the industry monthly magazines as >> do I, if you want to stay abreast of what goes on in the steel, >> plastics, glass and auto and fleet industries > > Actually, I just go to the Science, Industry and Business Library at > 34th and Madison. Just a few short subway rides away. > > Jeff you didn't really expect a cogent answer from him did you? > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:ermdnXrMkNF5veXWnZ2dnUVZ_uxi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Get real! Nippon makes the steel Dana is required to use by Toyota >>>> and Lexus models that are being recalled are made in Japan >>> Evidence please that Nippon makes the steel and that Dana is required >>> to use it by Toyota. >>> >>> Otherwise, you're making a unproven conjecture. >>> >>> Jeff >> >> -- nomina rutrum rutrum |