TRUCK RECALL?!?!?!?
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From: Registered User on 13 Feb 2010 20:32 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:57:25 +0000, Clive <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <4b76ddc9$0$10191$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter ><Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes >>Better catch up, it that is what you want to believe. Most of the safety >>recalls, all around the world, have been order by the various governments. >>There have been at least 19 deaths, including four in California, thus far >>and an undetermined number of injuries, according to published reports. >I've said it before and I'll say it again. Although there are >500million people in the EU compared to just 300million in the US, there >has only been 4 accidents attributed to accelerator problems on this >side of the pond and no fatalities. Gross population numbers are meaningless. A more relevant point of comparison would be the total number miles driven by each population in a calendar year. In the US the number is an amazing 10k miles per person in a calendar year. That's a quarter billion registered passenger vehicles (cars, SUVs, pickup trucks) times an average of twelve thousand miles per vehicle per year divided by 300 million. The cited figures are from the US DOT for 2006. AFA as the numbers you quote concerning accidents and fatalities due to accelerator problems, we must remember the EU consists of 27 entities. When it comes to accident reporting each entity has its own standards, definitions and investigative techniques. The exchange of information between authorities remains inconsistant despite the desires of the EU Commission. > Though in America everyone wants >to blame someone else, I'm sure the truth will come out within a year or >two. Every year each automobile manufacturer issues tens of thousands of technical service bulletins. No complex piece of equipment is completely free of defects. Some defects are more drastic than others. >Google is you friend, look up "Driving in Japan" and you'll see why >the sales of American cars there is so small (no parking place >ownership, no car etc.). This is no secret while the supposed relevance is. > I own two 2.2litre cars a 2002 Nissan Almera >and 2009 Toyota Auris SR180, it's power to weight ratio is 120.27bhp per >ton. Brake horse power is only a measure of engine output. Effective horse power considers drive train losses which can be significant, ten to twenty percent. In any case your car's power/weight ratio falls in line with the better super-minis. > My daughter owns two cars, a Vauxhall Corsa diesel and a Proton >Gen2 1.6 litre petrol, my son owns a Toyota Yaris 1.3 petrol. After >driving a few of the cars you have in America, The latest being a Dodge >Avenger 2.4 petrol, I am convinced that few if any of you domestic cars >could even go as fast as my sons Yaris, and I don't think even your >muscle cars can hold a candle to my SR180. In what respect: zero to sixty, quarter mile times, top end, endurance runs...? I doubt the few American cars you've driven represent what passes for muscle cars in this day and age. Next time try something with a V-8. The 2011 Shelby GT500s will use a 5.4L super-charged V-8 (550 hp & 510 ft/lb torque). Its sibling the Mustang GT will be powered by a normally aspirated 5.0L V-8 (412 hp & 390 ft/lb torque). I wouldn't mind driving a SR180.
From: Hachiroku on 13 Feb 2010 20:38 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:04:58 -0500, C. E. White wrote: > > "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:hl58sa$b6j$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>I think I heard they're recalling Toyota trucks because the front >> propellor shaft can separate (probably at the U-joint...) >> >> Oh, boy... > > Yes, they are recalling the drive shats. I doubt they can cover up anything > right now. Here is a little blurb on the problem from the internet: > > "Separately, Toyota said Friday it will recall about 8,000 model-year 2010 > Tacomas in the United States due to a potential defect in front drive shafts > that may result in a loss of vehicle control. The part, made by Dana Holding > Corp., is also used in Ford and Nissan models, Dana spokesman Chuck Hartlage > said." > > Read more: > http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100212/OEM/100219946/1147#ixzz0fSpGlzzd > > Ed So that makes TWICE Dana has screwed Toyota, first on the frames and now on driveshafts.
From: jim on 13 Feb 2010 20:50 jim beam wrote: > > nothing personal, but i don't believe this because the economics and the > metallurgy simply don't support the logic. if you have proof they would > do something so ridiculously inefficient and needlessly expensive [it > makes no sense to ship ingot because it weighs so much and has so little > value - shipping finished product is where the economics work] feel free > to post it, but i'd want to see something definitive, not mere usenet > gossip. there's nothing special about ductile iron that would > necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting. Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the US. BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > > From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings > > that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the > > defect) > > > > -jim > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 14 Feb 2010 02:00 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:28 +1100, Tom wrote: > > Once again, you mislead (ie lie). I never told you to fix your clock This one will really throw him for a l00p.
From: Clive on 14 Feb 2010 04:55
In message <yrudnQlQs6lIy-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the >matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has >managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the >US. > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > >> >> > From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >> > that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >> > defect) If Dana knew there was a defect in the steel, why did they use it, surely they bear the responsibility for using a known faulty product? -- Clive |