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From: Obveeus on 31 Mar 2010 15:38 "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: > Obveeus wrote: >> >> "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote: >> > Some people don't like to have black oil in their engines just like >> > some people can't stand to see a speck of dirt in their house. Why is >> > it >> > that the one attracts so much criticism while the other goes without >> > comment? >> >> Are we now trying to demonize anyone that points out 'hey, that is a big >> waste of money'? > > Go ahead. Point out any foolish thing you want to. It is not as if about > 90% of other consumer spending isn't a target for the big waste of money > line. The question is why this particular obsession? I hadn't noticed any obsession. >> > The question is why are there so many zealots on the internet that feel >> > it is their mission in life to convince other motorists that it is good >> > to be driving around with black oil in their engines? What sort of >> > belief system drives a person to go around trying to convert others to >> > black engine oil? >> >> People that want to reduce their country's dependence on foreign oil? > > If you want to do that then advocate for getting rid of the automobile > as private transportation. That might be a bit extreme compared with the simple advise of 'don't throw away oil while it is still perfectly good'. >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? > > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to polute? >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? > > That doesn't explain the obsession. I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax >> isn't >> really beneficial. > > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so what? 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the 'advise' will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax...and keep them from harming their car's finish. Sure, it is a 'so what', but why do you feel the need to respond with another 'so what' complaining/obsessing about the first 'so what'?
From: Obveeus on 31 Mar 2010 15:40 "Elle" <honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:beb4763f-74c7-4bf7-801c-7c0f79b766bd(a)e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Mar 30, 5:55 pm, "Bob Jones" <em...(a)me.not> wrote: >> Most people drive in severe conditions. > >-- For my 2003 Civic in severe conditions, the interval then becomes >5k miles or six months. > >-- I would have to see a citation to believe that most people drive in >severe conditions. I think Jim B is right that "normal" is a word that >Honda chose for its manuals with careful consideration. I have seen 'severe conditions' described as 'lots of stop and go traffic'. If that is the definition, then yes, most people drive under severe conditions.
From: jim on 31 Mar 2010 16:42 Obveeus wrote: > > I hadn't noticed any obsession. I noticed that you hadn't noticed > > > > If you want to do that then advocate for getting rid of the automobile > > as private transportation. > > That might be a bit extreme compared with the simple advise of 'don't throw > away oil while it is still perfectly good'. How about you recycle it instead of throwing it away. > > >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? > > > > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the > > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. > > Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to > polute? It doesn't even cross your mind that someone who claiming to not want oil pollution might be a bit insincere? > > >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? > > > > That doesn't explain the obsession. > > I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will > say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. What issue? Making light of people who preach nonsense on the internet? If that is the issue you mean Ok, maybe I did take a little time today to be obsessed with that. But since Im not one of those who enjoys changing oil often I get my recreation in other ways. > > >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax > >> isn't > >> really beneficial. > > > > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so what? > > 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the 'advise' > will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax.. Or maybe your deluded about the impact of your words.
From: Obveeus on 31 Mar 2010 17:02 "jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote in message news:cOydnWHESr5ZLi7WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)bright.net... > > Obveeus wrote: > >> I hadn't noticed any obsession. > > I noticed that you hadn't noticed > >> > If you want to do that then advocate for getting rid of the automobile >> > as private transportation. >> >> That might be a bit extreme compared with the simple advise of 'don't >> throw >> away oil while it is still perfectly good'. > > How about you recycle it instead of throwing it away. Recycle it? Is that like where the quick oil change centers run it through a screen and then sell it to new customers? >> >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? >> > >> > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the >> > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. >> >> Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to >> polute? > > It doesn't even cross your mind that someone who claiming to not want > oil pollution might be a bit insincere? No, I don't take on face value that people who speak out against pollution are secretly plotting to pollute more. >> >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? >> > >> > That doesn't explain the obsession. >> >> I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will >> say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. > > What issue? Making light of people who preach nonsense on the internet? Telling people not to waste time/money changing their oil every 3,000 miles is preaching non-sense? > If that is the issue you mean Ok, maybe I did take a little time today > to be obsessed with that. But since Im not one of those who enjoys > changing oil often I get my recreation in other ways. Posting on usenet is not 'recreation'. >> >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax >> >> isn't >> >> really beneficial. >> > >> > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so >> > what? >> >> 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the >> 'advise' >> will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax.. > > Or maybe your deluded about the impact of your words. I have no delusions. I am well aware that the vast majority of people are too stupid to take good advise.
From: jim on 31 Mar 2010 18:19
Obvious wrote: > > > > How about you recycle it instead of throwing it away. > > Recycle it? Is that like where the quick oil change centers run it through > a screen and then sell it to new customers? > Well yes that would be recycling. Not exactly what I was thinking > >> >> People that want the environment to be less poluted? > >> > > >> > Doubtful argument. My hunch is people with this obsession pollute the > >> > environment significantly more than those who aren't so obsessed. > >> > >> Do tell, why would people that don't want oil pollution be more likely to > >> polute? > > > > It doesn't even cross your mind that someone who claiming to not want > > oil pollution might be a bit insincere? > > No, I don't take on face value that people who speak out against pollution > are secretly plotting to pollute more. If reducing oil consumption were the goal then driving less is the obvious solution. If you were focused on altering your life style so you produced less pollution, you might get to the point where your driving only 2000 miles a year and then you wouldn't be preaching 10000 mile oil changes. Would you? So no i don't think people who preach extended oil changes are really at all sincere about reducing pollution. > > >> >> People that are just trying to give helpful financial advice? > >> > > >> > That doesn't explain the obsession. > >> > >> I hadn't noticed any obsession, but now that you mention the word, I will > >> say that you do seem a bit obsessed with this issue. > > > > What issue? Making light of people who preach nonsense on the internet? > > Telling people not to waste time/money changing their oil every 3,000 miles > is preaching non-sense? I reckon one can preach nonsense in regard to just about anything > > > If that is the issue you mean Ok, maybe I did take a little time today > > to be obsessed with that. But since Im not one of those who enjoys > > changing oil often I get my recreation in other ways. > > Posting on usenet is not 'recreation'. But changing oil at 3000 miles is? > > >> >> Next up: irrational fear that someone will let out word that car wax > >> >> isn't > >> >> really beneficial. > >> > > >> > Well the same could be said for any other cosmetic product, but so > >> > what? > >> > >> 'So what' could be said about 99% of all dialog, right? Maybe the > >> 'advise' > >> will keep someone from wasting time and money on car wax.. > > > > Or maybe your deluded about the impact of your words. > > I have no delusions. I am well aware that the vast majority of people are > too stupid to take good advise. So now you say it does not keep them "from wasting time and money" |