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From: jim beam on 1 Apr 2010 09:35 On 03/31/2010 05:33 PM, Bob Jones wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ZbmdnZS5tr6ESy_WnZ2dnUVZ_tAAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 03/30/2010 04:55 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>> "Elle"<honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:3ebb0d52-9d5c-4fda-9d4c-e7d329ca1792(a)i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> On Mar 29, 6:41 pm, jim beam<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/TechnologyDevelopment/OPPTD_FLY_High-Efficienc... >>> >>>> The article linked above is a good read and helps reinforce my belief >>>> about going with the manufacturer's recommendations on oil change >>>> intervals, or even longer. >>> >>>> The owner's manual for my 2003 Civic says to change the oil every 10k >>>> miles or every year, whichever comes first, using 5W20 non-synthetic, >>>> and assuming no extreme conditions, per what is explained to be >>>> "extreme" in the owner's manual. >>> >>>> The wikipedia entry for "motor oil" talks about how oil standards have >>>> changed, driving the increasing interval over the decades. >>> >>> That may be the case for normal driving condition. Most people drive in >>> severe conditions. >> >> nonsense - by definition, "normal" is what most people drive in. >> > > Severe conditions are defined defined by whom? > as follows: > > - Driving less than 5 miles per trip or less than 10 miles per trip in > freezing temperatures. > - Driving in extreme hot (over 90F) conditions. > - Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving. > - Driving in muddy, dusty, de-iced, or mountain roads. i googled for those definitions, and guess what - they all came up on iffy-lube type websites selling you 3000 mile oil changes. bottom line - it's analysis that trumps all cant, sales, superstition or hysteria on this subject. if the analysis says you can run your oil longer, and per my original post, most people can, that's the end of the story. > > I believe they apply to most drivers in this country. Are you saying no? yes, i'm saying no. it's illogical nonsense. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 1 Apr 2010 09:36 On 03/31/2010 12:40 PM, Obveeus wrote: > "Elle"<honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:beb4763f-74c7-4bf7-801c-7c0f79b766bd(a)e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 30, 5:55 pm, "Bob Jones"<em...(a)me.not> wrote: >>> Most people drive in severe conditions. >> >> -- For my 2003 Civic in severe conditions, the interval then becomes >> 5k miles or six months. >> >> -- I would have to see a citation to believe that most people drive in >> severe conditions. I think Jim B is right that "normal" is a word that >> Honda chose for its manuals with careful consideration. > > I have seen 'severe conditions' described as 'lots of stop and go traffic'. yeah, on iffy-lube websites trying to get you to go into their shop and out of your wallet every 3000 miles. > If that is the definition, then yes, most people drive under severe > conditions. nonsense. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 1 Apr 2010 09:37 On 04/01/2010 04:38 AM, Observer wrote: > On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:41:36 -0700, jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/TechnologyDevelopment/OPPTD_FLY_High-Efficiency-Oil-Filters.cfm >> >> shock, horror, they used oil analysis to arrive at these recommendations! > > > I'm one of those guys who believes in 3000 mile intervals because it > has always worked for me. i keep garlic in my refrigerator because it stops elephants from standing in the butter. because it has always worked for me. > Do I care if no one agrees with me, NO. Do > I care if I can extend it to 5000 or more miles, NO. Do I claim my > way is the only correct way, NO. In other words, you do what works > for you and I'll do the same. superstitious nonsense - you have absolutely zero basis in fact. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Obveeus on 1 Apr 2010 09:51 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D4CCE8BC8E62tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in > news:hovjra$9p0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> Exposure to all the chemicals also causes many health >> problems. > > Question for you: What's a "chemical"? Did that statement really need to read as: 'Exposure to all the *harmful* chemicals also causes many health problems.' for you to understand it?
From: Obveeus on 1 Apr 2010 09:56
"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:XdqdnQ1TWIHHPCnWnZ2dnUVZ_j4AAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > On 03/31/2010 12:40 PM, Obveeus wrote: >> "Elle"<honda.lioness(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:beb4763f-74c7-4bf7-801c-7c0f79b766bd(a)e6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> On Mar 30, 5:55 pm, "Bob Jones"<em...(a)me.not> wrote: >>>> Most people drive in severe conditions. >>> >>> -- For my 2003 Civic in severe conditions, the interval then becomes >>> 5k miles or six months. >>> >>> -- I would have to see a citation to believe that most people drive in >>> severe conditions. I think Jim B is right that "normal" is a word that >>> Honda chose for its manuals with careful consideration. >> >> I have seen 'severe conditions' described as 'lots of stop and go >> traffic'. > > yeah, on iffy-lube websites trying to get you to go into their shop and > out of your wallet every 3000 miles. > > >> If that is the definition, then yes, most people drive under severe >> conditions. > > nonsense. It is an 'if, then' statement and as such, you must understand that it is not 'nonsense'. The 'if' part may be false, though, rendering the conclusion useless. I think we agree that, the claim that people need to change their oil every 3,000 miles or on some time interval is nonsense promoted by auto repair people. |