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From: Cathy F. on 30 Jul 2007 19:27
<mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote in message
> On Jul 30, 4:06 pm, Moon Goddess <M...(a)no-spam.www> wrote:
>> If I wanted a reasonably priced 4WD, what's the most reliable one that
>> gets the most MPG?
>> Is it a Toyota or another brand?
> For US 2007 models, getting a combined EPA MPG of greater than 25 and
> which are 4WD or AWD:
> Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD version:
> or the Mercury Mariner Hybrid:
> 28MPG city/27MPG highway/27MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
> Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD version:
> or the Lexus RX400h 4WD version:
> 27MPG city/25MPG highway/26MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
> for pricing, I'd probably stay with the Ford/Toyota rather than the
> upscale Mercury/Lexus versions.
She was considering a Prius to be too pricey - my guess is that no way is
she going to want/be able to fork out the $$ for these - esp. the Highlander
or Lexus. Then factor in their lower (than a Prius) mpg, and...
> For the unplowed snow driving that you are asking about, you'd
> probably do better with a high ground clearance vehicle with good snow
> tires, than to just look for 4WD/AWD, though. (A FWD Prius with good
> snow tires can get you most anywhere (without snow tires you can get
> stuck) provided you have less than 4" or so of its ground clearance.)
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 30 Jul 2007 19:37
"Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote :
>> In article <xKmdndRcKdOSxzPbnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d(a)forethought.net>,
>> Moon Goddess <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote:
>>> > What kind of driving do you expect to do that you need a 4WD?
>>> > snow, mountain climbing, dirt roads, are you going to tow
>>> > anything, do you need a small 4wd or large 4wd.
>>> Mostly city snow driving. I need something as fuel efficient as
>>> possible, I do a lot of business driving.
>> Then you do NOT want a vehicle that is able to drive all four wheels.
>> Those mechanisms all weigh something, which costs gas to haul around
>> all the time. It's like having another person in the car at all
>> times. That extra gas costs $$$. It's a MPG penalty.
>> Plus, all those systems require maintenance of their own, above and
>> beyond what their 2wd brothers need. That also costs $$$.
>> City driving? You'll be fine with front wheel drive and good tires.
>> I heavily recommend Nokian WR. Absolute worst case, you buy snow
>> tires with a more aggressive tread as well as a winter rating, and
>> you run those during winter. But city driving? Paved roads that get
>> plowed? You don't need 4wd or awd at all.
> Only the main roads get plowed here and much of my work is driving into
> the back neighborhoods, where I had a heck of a time last winter with
> sometimes 6" of snow in the streets.
> There's a hill along the street our driveway exits onto and even that
> gets hard to get out of when it snows more than a few inches, and the
> city cares not about it.
My prediction: Within 60 days of the snow starting, you'll drive your 4WD
thing into a ditch and wonder why it didn't work like magic.
Get a front wheel drive SOMETHING, and some very serious snow tires. Blizzak
is a good example of a tire that would make you happy. Oh...and learn to
From: Mike Hunter on 30 Jul 2007 20:21
If one REALLY knows how to drive they would buy a RWD vehicle with a
traction lock axle, traction control and equipped with a set of winter
When one lets off the gas, while driving their FWD car on a wet or icy turn
and slides into a ditch, that is what cop comes to the scene in to
investigate the accident. LOL
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message
>> There's a hill along the street our driveway exits onto and even that
>> gets hard to get out of when it snows more than a few inches, and the
>> city cares not about it.
> My prediction: Within 60 days of the snow starting, you'll drive your 4WD
> thing into a ditch and wonder why it didn't work like magic.
> Get a front wheel drive SOMETHING, and some very serious snow tires.
> Blizzak is a good example of a tire that would make you happy. Oh...and
> learn to drive.
From: High Tech Misfit on 30 Jul 2007 20:29
> I have a '97 Ford Contour with 145k mi on it. I have had to do some
> suspension work (rear struts), oil, two wheel bearings and one axle (one
> side). Not great, but not bad for a car with 145k on it.
> I haven't about the reliability of Escapes, but the Contour is a pretty
> reliable car, with many going to 250 to 300k or more.
Thanks for providing me with a much needed laugh for the day.
From: Jeff on 30 Jul 2007 21:44
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <2xqrmtlv64yu.dlg(a)hightech.misfit>,
> High Tech Misfit <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>>> I haven't about the reliability of Escapes, but the Contour is a pretty
>>> reliable car, with many going to 250 to 300k or more.
>> Thanks for providing me with a much needed laugh for the day.
> he was talking engine revolutions, not miles.
No, i was talking about miles. My engine runs as smoothly as the day it