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From: Jeff on 31 Jul 2007 07:48 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: > In article <ouwri.8247$FO1.2234(a)trnddc05>, > Jeff <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article <2xqrmtlv64yu.dlg(a)hightech.misfit>, >>> High Tech Misfit <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> I haven't about the reliability of Escapes, but the Contour is a pretty >>>>> reliable car, with many going to 250 to 300k or more. >>>>> >>>> Thanks for providing me with a much needed laugh for the day. >>> he was talking engine revolutions, not miles. >> No, i was talking about miles. My engine runs as smoothly as the day it >> was new. > > ummmm......I wouldn't brag about how badly the engine ran when it was > new if I were you. It has always run extremely smoothly. You can hardly tell it is on. Jeff
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 31 Jul 2007 09:11 "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message news:idKdnZU6X9T7RDPbnZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d(a)forethought.net... > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote : > >> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message >> news:z4WdnWYlucRXwDPbnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d(a)forethought.net... >>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote : >>> >>>> In article <xKmdndRcKdOSxzPbnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d(a)forethought.net>, >>>> Moon Goddess <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > What kind of driving do you expect to do that you need a 4WD? >>>>> > snow, mountain climbing, dirt roads, are you going to tow >>>>> > anything, do you need a small 4wd or large 4wd. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Mostly city snow driving. I need something as fuel efficient as >>>>> possible, I do a lot of business driving. >>>> >>>> Then you do NOT want a vehicle that is able to drive all four >>>> wheels. >>>> Those mechanisms all weigh something, which costs gas to haul >>>> around >>>> all the time. It's like having another person in the car at all >>>> times. That extra gas costs $$$. It's a MPG penalty. >>>> >>>> Plus, all those systems require maintenance of their own, above and >>>> beyond what their 2wd brothers need. That also costs $$$. >>>> >>>> City driving? You'll be fine with front wheel drive and good >>>> tires. I heavily recommend Nokian WR. Absolute worst case, you buy >>>> snow tires with a more aggressive tread as well as a winter rating, >>>> and you run those during winter. But city driving? Paved roads >>>> that get plowed? You don't need 4wd or awd at all. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Only the main roads get plowed here and much of my work is driving >>> into the back neighborhoods, where I had a heck of a time last >>> winter with sometimes 6" of snow in the streets. >>> >>> There's a hill along the street our driveway exits onto and even >>> that gets hard to get out of when it snows more than a few inches, >>> and the city cares not about it. >>> >> >> My prediction: Within 60 days of the snow starting, you'll drive your >> 4WD thing into a ditch and wonder why it didn't work like magic. >> >> Get a front wheel drive SOMETHING, and some very serious snow tires. >> Blizzak is a good example of a tire that would make you happy. >> Oh...and learn to drive. >> >> >> > > Well humphh. :) I drive very well thank you. You just haven't seen the > mess that they leave most residential streets in, in the Denver area > after a decent storm. Since 1982, when I moved to upstate NY, I've driven hundreds times on streets with 6" of snow, and handled them just fine, driving a Toyota Tercel, a Honda Accord, a Ford Taurus, and my ex's Toyota Corolla wagon. I handle it now with a rear wheel drive pickup. Put down the cell phone, turn off the radio, and listen to the sound of the tires on the snow. Learn to drive.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 31 Jul 2007 09:13 "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message news:idKdnZo6X9SHRDPbnZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d(a)forethought.net... > "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote : > >> >> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message >> news:xKmdndRcKdOSxzPbnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d(a)forethought.net... >>> EdV <systmengr(a)hotmail.com> wrote : >>> >>>> What kind of driving do you expect to do that you need a 4WD? snow, >>>> mountain climbing, dirt roads, are you going to tow anything, do >>>> you need a small 4wd or large 4wd. >>>> >>> >>> Mostly city snow driving. I need something as fuel efficient as >>> possible, I do a lot of business driving. >> >> Then I'd stick with front wheel drive, & give it tires which are >> rated as very good/excellent in snow. > > Sounds wise, thanks Cathy. > If you don't mind jacking up your car twice a year in your driveway, save some money by having the snows mounted on some ugly wheels, and swap the tires yourself.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 31 Jul 2007 09:14 "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message news:idKdnZs6X9RlRTPbnZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d(a)forethought.net... > "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote : > >> >><mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote in message >> news:1185834439.342036.44020(a)l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 30, 4:06 pm, Moon Goddess <M...(a)no-spam.www> wrote: >>>> If I wanted a reasonably priced 4WD, what's the most reliable one >>>> that gets the most MPG? >>>> >>>> Is it a Toyota or another brand? >>> >>> For US 2007 models, getting a combined EPA MPG of greater than 25 >>> and which are 4WD or AWD: >>> >>> Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD version: >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22997.shtml >>> or the Mercury Mariner Hybrid: >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23019.shtml >>> 28MPG city/27MPG highway/27MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG). >>> >>> Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD version: >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23835.shtml >>> or the Lexus RX400h 4WD version: >>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23820.shtml >>> 27MPG city/25MPG highway/26MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG). >>> >>> for pricing, I'd probably stay with the Ford/Toyota rather than the >>> upscale Mercury/Lexus versions. >> >> She was considering a Prius to be too pricey - my guess is that no >> way is she going to want/be able to fork out the $$ for these - esp. >> the Highlander or Lexus. Then factor in their lower (than a Prius) >> mpg, and... >> >> Cathy >> >> > > You're right. I'd be hard put to afford the Prius right now, MAYBE in 6 > months when I can make more money. But there's an old saying that "the > devil you know is better than the devil you don't know", or "a bird in > the hand is worth 3 in the bush"? > > My 93 Corolla wagon gets half the MPG of the Prius but it's PAID FOR. > > $23k will buy a LOT of gas. Great. Put a set of Blizzaks on that Corolla this winter. They're noisy tires, but nobody cares. They're amazing tires. If Denver allows it and you want even more grip, get a studded set.
From: EdV on 31 Jul 2007 10:11
Maybe you can also choose one with a higher ground clearance if the road conditions are really that bad. > > > Then I'd stick with front wheel drive, & give it tires which are > > rated as very good/excellent in snow. > > Sounds wise, thanks Cathy. |