From: EdV on
and applying makeup? =) hey she's a "goddess" she has to look good on
business trips.

>
> Put down the cell phone, turn off the radio, and listen to the sound of the
> tires on the snow. Learn to drive.


From: Roy on

"Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message
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> If I wanted a reasonably priced 4WD, what's the most reliable one that
> gets the most MPG?
>
> Is it a Toyota or another brand?



Go to www.tirerack.com and price a set of Blizzak snow tires and wheels.
I've used them for years plowing snow and although pricey they are imo the
best you can buy. Due to the sticky compound they are super on ice and
packed snow, the blocky design and side sipes provide excellent traction in
looser stuff. But they are a dedicated snow tire that if driven in the warm
weather will wear out quickly.


From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"EdV" <systmengr(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Put down the cell phone, turn off the radio, and listen to the sound of
>> the
>> tires on the snow. Learn to drive.
>
>

> and applying makeup? =) hey she's a "goddess" she has to look good on
> business trips.
>

Maybe. And, don't expect a car to be a dishwasher, which, when working
correctly, provides an absolute pushbutton solution.


From: Roy on

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message
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>> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote :
>>
>>>
>>><mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1185834439.342036.44020(a)l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 30, 4:06 pm, Moon Goddess <M...(a)no-spam.www> wrote:
>>>>> If I wanted a reasonably priced 4WD, what's the most reliable one
>>>>> that gets the most MPG?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a Toyota or another brand?
>>>>
>>>> For US 2007 models, getting a combined EPA MPG of greater than 25
>>>> and which are 4WD or AWD:
>>>>
>>>> Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD version:
>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22997.shtml
>>>> or the Mercury Mariner Hybrid:
>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23019.shtml
>>>> 28MPG city/27MPG highway/27MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
>>>>
>>>> Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD version:
>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23835.shtml
>>>> or the Lexus RX400h 4WD version:
>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23820.shtml
>>>> 27MPG city/25MPG highway/26MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
>>>>
>>>> for pricing, I'd probably stay with the Ford/Toyota rather than the
>>>> upscale Mercury/Lexus versions.
>>>
>>> She was considering a Prius to be too pricey - my guess is that no
>>> way is she going to want/be able to fork out the $$ for these - esp.
>>> the Highlander or Lexus. Then factor in their lower (than a Prius)
>>> mpg, and...
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're right. I'd be hard put to afford the Prius right now, MAYBE in 6
>> months when I can make more money. But there's an old saying that "the
>> devil you know is better than the devil you don't know", or "a bird in
>> the hand is worth 3 in the bush"?
>>
>> My 93 Corolla wagon gets half the MPG of the Prius but it's PAID FOR.
>>
>> $23k will buy a LOT of gas.
>
>
> Great. Put a set of Blizzaks on that Corolla this winter. They're noisy
> tires, but nobody cares. They're amazing tires. If Denver allows it and
> you want even more grip, get a studded set.

I'd have to disagree with you on the studded set. Too dangerous on wet clear
roads. Yes, they are good on ice but they can be a hanfull on wet or for
that matter dry roads. Given the weight of her car even more so.


From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"Roy" <Roy(a)Fhome.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hBGri.13072$ya1.3718(a)news02.roc.ny...
>> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message
>> news:idKdnZs6X9RlRTPbnZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d(a)forethought.net...
>>> "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote :
>>>
>>>>
>>>><mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1185834439.342036.44020(a)l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jul 30, 4:06 pm, Moon Goddess <M...(a)no-spam.www> wrote:
>>>>>> If I wanted a reasonably priced 4WD, what's the most reliable one
>>>>>> that gets the most MPG?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a Toyota or another brand?
>>>>>
>>>>> For US 2007 models, getting a combined EPA MPG of greater than 25
>>>>> and which are 4WD or AWD:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD version:
>>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22997.shtml
>>>>> or the Mercury Mariner Hybrid:
>>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23019.shtml
>>>>> 28MPG city/27MPG highway/27MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
>>>>>
>>>>> Toyota Highlander Hybrid 4WD version:
>>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23835.shtml
>>>>> or the Lexus RX400h 4WD version:
>>>>> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/23820.shtml
>>>>> 27MPG city/25MPG highway/26MPG combined (2008 estimated EPA MPG).
>>>>>
>>>>> for pricing, I'd probably stay with the Ford/Toyota rather than the
>>>>> upscale Mercury/Lexus versions.
>>>>
>>>> She was considering a Prius to be too pricey - my guess is that no
>>>> way is she going to want/be able to fork out the $$ for these - esp.
>>>> the Highlander or Lexus. Then factor in their lower (than a Prius)
>>>> mpg, and...
>>>>
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're right. I'd be hard put to afford the Prius right now, MAYBE in 6
>>> months when I can make more money. But there's an old saying that "the
>>> devil you know is better than the devil you don't know", or "a bird in
>>> the hand is worth 3 in the bush"?
>>>
>>> My 93 Corolla wagon gets half the MPG of the Prius but it's PAID FOR.
>>>
>>> $23k will buy a LOT of gas.
>>
>>
>> Great. Put a set of Blizzaks on that Corolla this winter. They're noisy
>> tires, but nobody cares. They're amazing tires. If Denver allows it and
>> you want even more grip, get a studded set.
>
> I'd have to disagree with you on the studded set. Too dangerous on wet
> clear roads. Yes, they are good on ice but they can be a hanfull on wet or
> for that matter dry roads. Given the weight of her car even more so.
>

Yeah...that could be true, especially with a less skilled driver.