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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 3 Aug 2007 22:40 "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message news:3uudnXu7EIXzey7bnZ2dnUVZ_hjinZ2d(a)forethought.net... > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis(a)yahoo.com> wrote : > >> "Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message >> news:ZuqdnVkRiaVRQC7bnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d(a)forethought.net... >>>B A R R Y <beech23pilot(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >>> >>>> -hh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is good advice. Around ten years ago, Car & Driver magazine >>>>> did a test where they looked at winter performance, and pitted a >>>>> 4WD on All- Season tires against a 2WD using snow tires...IIRC, >>>>> for 8 of the 10 tests, the 2WD w/snows outperformed the 4WD on >>>>> All-Seasons. >>>> >>>> I wish they would pit a 4x4 with low profile tires on 24" wheels to >>>> a stock '87 Yugo in the snow. <G> >>>> >>>> Why people buy 4WD and then eliminate all tire traction is beyond >>>> me. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Someone mentioned that the Prius has a plastic pan covering the >>> bottom of the engine area that can get damaged in snow? >>> >>> What if someone had the car raised up several inches? Is that >>> expensive? >>> >> >> Just you never mind that idea. In order to pimp a Prius, you must be >> Asian, and live in either Los Angeles or Tokyo. >> >> >> > > LOL! > Seriously...forget it. You know, in between an SUV and a Prius, there are cars that get decent mileage and are good in snow.
From: Bruce L. Bergman on 3 Aug 2007 23:55 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:39:57 -0400, "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> wrote: >"Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message >news:ZuqdnVkRiaVRQC7bnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d(a)forethought.net... >>B A R R Y <beech23pilot(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >>> -hh wrote: >>>> It is good advice. Around ten years ago, Car & Driver magazine did a >>>> test where they looked at winter performance, and pitted a 4WD on All- >>>> Season tires against a 2WD using snow tires...IIRC, for 8 of the 10 >>>> tests, the 2WD w/snows outperformed the 4WD on All-Seasons. >>> >>> I wish they would pit a 4x4 with low profile tires on 24" wheels to a >>> stock '87 Yugo in the snow. <G> >>> >>> Why people buy 4WD and then eliminate all tire traction is beyond me. >> >> Someone mentioned that the Prius has a plastic pan covering the bottom of >> the engine area that can get damaged in snow? >> >> What if someone had the car raised up several inches? Is that expensive? > >Wouldn't that negate much of the engineering that went into it, re: its >aerodynamics & mpg? Probably. That's why it needs to be adjustable - put air springs on it instead of conventional coil springs, and have a ride height switch like a Range Rover. 'High' for snow and mud, 'Normal' for dry roads. Or you get tall skinny snow tires and reprogram the speedometer for taller tires when you put them on. If the Toyota Engineers were planning ahead, you'd have a screen on the dashboard display to simply enter the Rolling OD of the tires, and have a function to trim it in for accuracy. Then the computer can also factor the actual tire size into the regenerative braking calcs. --<< Bruce >>--
From: Moon Goddess on 4 Aug 2007 12:45
Bruce L. Bergman <blnospambergman(a)earthlink.invalid> wrote : > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:39:57 -0400, "Cathy F." <clfrclfr(a)adelphia.net> > wrote: >>"Moon Goddess" <MG(a)no-spam.www> wrote in message >>news:ZuqdnVkRiaVRQC7bnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d(a)forethought.net... >>>B A R R Y <beech23pilot(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >>>> -hh wrote: > >>>>> It is good advice. Around ten years ago, Car & Driver magazine >>>>> did a test where they looked at winter performance, and pitted a >>>>> 4WD on All- Season tires against a 2WD using snow tires...IIRC, >>>>> for 8 of the 10 tests, the 2WD w/snows outperformed the 4WD on >>>>> All-Seasons. >>>> >>>> I wish they would pit a 4x4 with low profile tires on 24" wheels >>>> to a stock '87 Yugo in the snow. <G> >>>> >>>> Why people buy 4WD and then eliminate all tire traction is beyond >>>> me. >>> >>> Someone mentioned that the Prius has a plastic pan covering the >>> bottom of the engine area that can get damaged in snow? >>> >>> What if someone had the car raised up several inches? Is that >>> expensive? >> >>Wouldn't that negate much of the engineering that went into it, re: >>its aerodynamics & mpg? > > Probably. That's why it needs to be adjustable - put air springs > on > it instead of conventional coil springs, and have a ride height > switch like a Range Rover. 'High' for snow and mud, 'Normal' for dry > roads. That sounds good. I don't think I'd have to worry much about aerodynamics when driving 5 MPH over bumpy snow in the streets. > Or you get tall skinny snow tires and reprogram the speedometer for > taller tires when you put them on. Can they do that? > If the Toyota Engineers were planning ahead, you'd have a screen on > the dashboard display to simply enter the Rolling OD of the tires, > and have a function to trim it in for accuracy. Then the computer > can also factor the actual tire size into the regenerative braking > calcs. Cool. |