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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jan 2010 11:13 On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:56:25 +0000, Tegger wrote: > "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote in > news:HLidnZP-PeZNfPzWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d(a)posted.isomediainc: > >> Hachiroku ããã㯠wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>> >>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>> >>>> From The Detroit News: >>>> >> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350 >> #ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>> >>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>> production. >> >> It beats the system we used when I was at Boeing. All the PHBs visited >> Japanese manufacturers to learn about lean manufacturing, continuous >> quality improvement, etc. And the only idea they brought back was the >> moving assembly line. Unlike Toyota, nothing stops our line. If a part >> comes in late, its up to you to chase after the plane and get it bolted >> on. > > > > And you did this with PASSENGER AIRPLANES??? They did this with THESE!!!! http://www.chipbennett.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/airforceone.jpg > > Remind me never to fly on a Boeing ever again. But then Airbus probably > does the same thing.
From: jr92 on 28 Jan 2010 23:38 On Jan 27, 12:07 pm, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > According to Automotive News, at this point Toyota does not have a clue as > to the cause. At first engineers believed it was caused by certain types > of floor mats. That led to a recall and an advisory to dealers to cut off > a part of the bottom of the accelerator, until new shorter ones could be > made available. > > Turns out the accelerator petal was NOT the problem and engineers suspected > that it was the linkage itself, because Toyota with cut off accelerator > petals were running away. > > However after over a dozen deaths it soon became apparent it was NOT the > linkage either, because vehicles with fly by wire throttle controls were > running away as well. > > Most other manufactures have an override that disables the electronic > throttle when the brakes are applied, but Toyota does not. That does not > take into account the fact that manual linkages on older vehicles are also > having the problem. > > The fact that both manual and fly by wire systems are going out of control > is perplexing, thus the stop selling order, as engineers scramble for the > cause. > > If Toyota dealers can't sell, Toyota must stop manufacturing and importing > vehicles or they will end up in the position they were at the end of 2009 > with hundreds of thousands of unsold vehicles still in plant storage lots > and at ports of entry. > > When Toyota shut down the Tundra plant for three months, because of its > dismal sales, it still paid the workers at the Texas plant. Toyota had no > comment on whether they would pay it workers around the world during this > massive shut down. Stay tuned! > > john" <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:d69dac46-67a0-4d1a-b9db-94a5f53016d1(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North > > American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models > > recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." > > > From The Detroit News: > >http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=3....- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - But, at least Toyota is making progress. They have finally admitted to having a problem. Just that they don't know what is causing it. Now, it is coming out, that Toyota was aware of this as far back as 2004, but are just now getting around to doing something about it. Toyota is known for taking care of it's problems. I guess sometimes if just takes a while to get around to it.
From: jr92 on 28 Jan 2010 23:42 On Jan 27, 3:26 pm, ben91932 <benteac...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 27, 9:18 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > > > What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue? > > GM: Rolling Corvairs and full size cars that broke motor mounts and > locked the steering. > Several hundred dead. > Ford: Exploding mustang gas tanks in the '60's which Ford knew about > and remedied by making the Pinto. > Several hundred more dead. > These issues were known by the car makers before the cars were sold. > Their accountants calculated that the loss of life, lawsuits etc would > cost less overall than the $15 to $17 a car it would have cost them to > make them safe. > Ben I promise, if you guys will quit bringing up unsafe US nameplates built 40 years ago, I will not bring up the DEATHTRAPS that Toyota and Honda sold in the US 40 years ago!
From: Mike Hunter on 29 Jan 2010 11:03
It is known as the "Yabut" defense. When one can no longer come up with a reasonable positions in defense for their side of a discussion at hand, they resort to non-germane old subjects, to deflect from the discussion. "Ya but what about....." LOL "jr92" <coachrose13(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c31a36f2-e126-4787-987b-31487dd9d94a(a)b9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Jan 27, 3:26 pm, ben91932 <benteac...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 27, 9:18 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > > > What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue? > > GM: Rolling Corvairs etc.. I promise, if you guys will quit bringing up unsafe US nameplates built 40 years ago, I will not bring up the DEATHTRAPS that Toyota and Honda sold in the US 40 years ago! |