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From: dr_jeff on 27 Jan 2010 19:44 Mike Hunter wrote: > You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are used > car buyers. Something wrong with buying used cars? > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:YMGdnZd_19GgWP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still >>> buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models. >> only used >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2010.01.27.00.37.45.547150(a)e86.GTS... >>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote: >>>> >>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Myself, >>>>> >>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into >>>>> the >>>>> likes of a Toyota. >>>> Really? What DO you put them into? >>>> >>>> My last Toyota was recalled for... >>>> >>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on >>>> the radio. >>>> >>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into >>>> reverse at any time... >>>> >>>> Chevy making rolling blunders >>>> >>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you >>>> can >>>> get at a good price. >>>> >>>> >>>> >
From: dr_jeff on 27 Jan 2010 19:45 Mike Hunter wrote: > Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as > most of the models it sells in the US? Yet it builds most of the cars it sells in North America. And most of the parts in the those cars come from the US, too. Jeff > "Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message > news:g8f1m596lv0uk23r9iqgkg6v7ojcgt3ece(a)4ax.com... >> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words: >>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until >>> they >>> finish raping America while >>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >>> these people do not like us only our money >>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. >> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and >> supply US workers with a living? >> >> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made >> parts. >> >> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler >> product. >> > >
From: dsi1 on 27 Jan 2010 19:57 On 1/27/2010 12:48 PM, Tom wrote: > Toyota has only known about this problem since2007 >> > Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its > Tundra pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company > determined that the problem was caused by the material in the > accelerators' friction lever and made a change. What's a "friction lever?" It's interesting that this problem appears in wire and drive-by-wire systems. This probably means that the problem is not with the drive-by-wire. If this happens in cars without the problem floor mats, it probably means the floor mats are not the problem either. The investigators should check out the components common to Toyotas with with a history of this problem. That should narrow it down. In cases of runaway acceleration, I tend to believe it's driver's error. This however, appears to be something different. > > At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated > to safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway > Traffic Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in > December 2008 in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, > the Aygo and Yaris. > > The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused > increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. > Toyota lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its > materials on all vehicles produced in Europe using the subject > accelerator pedals starting in mid-August 2009. > > Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking > accelerator pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the > material used in
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 27 Jan 2010 15:17 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:23:36 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > How do you thinks that would that have prevented Toyotas massive safety > recall? LOL > It wouldn't. But I am betting GM has learned NOTHING and will keep making the cheapest product possible to please the shareholders, and not the customers. Toyota will learn from this. > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2010.01.27.17.55.34.757905(a)e86.GTS... >> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:10:50 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >> >>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >> >> And still haven't learned anything. >> >> Government should have let them sink, except for the 68,000 union votes >> it brings in. >> >> >> >>> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >>>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>>> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>>> >>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>> >>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>> production. >>>> >>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded >>>> to make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 20:21
You are wrong again. The only brands owned by GM are Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC. Their former brands and their former manufacturing facilities are "owned" by the bankruptcy court. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:SsudnSSZT6BOQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> Actually when you ever catch up you will discover SAAB and Hummer have >> been sold, but that has nothing to do with Toyotas massive recall and the >> government order to stop selling the cars involved. > > You might want to tell GM about the sales: > http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/ > > GM still owns Saab, although a deal to sell it is close. > > And it still lists Hummer as one of its brands. > > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:YMGdnZR_19G_WP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >>> And, GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and Wuling, Saab, Saturn and >>> Hummer. Of course, the last three brands will be closed down or sold. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >>>>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>>>> recalled >>>>>> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>>>> >>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>>> production. >>>>> >>>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded >>>>> to >>>>> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> |