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From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 21:08 Duh and who controls all of that liquidation, dummy, not GM. Try again, the subject is brands. One only owns something if one has controlling interest. I wish the stock I own in FMC made me an owner. As a General Motors stock holder, I wish what you believe were true. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:nIadnSMarKv7dP3WnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> You are wrong again. The only brands owned by GM are Chevrolet, Buick, >> Cadillac and GMC. Their former brands and their former manufacturing >> facilities are "owned" by the bankruptcy court. > > Technically, Saab, Saturn and Hummer are owned by Motors Liquidation Co., > the old GM. > > The new GM also owns all or part of GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall, AC > Delco, GMAC, OnStar, Shanghai GM and Wuling. So GM owns more than just > Chevy, GMC, Caddy and Buick. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:SsudnSSZT6BOQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Actually when you ever catch up you will discover SAAB and Hummer have >>>> been sold, but that has nothing to do with Toyotas massive recall and >>>> the government order to stop selling the cars involved. >>> You might want to tell GM about the sales: >>> http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/ >>> >>> GM still owns Saab, although a deal to sell it is close. >>> >>> And it still lists Hummer as one of its brands. >>> >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:YMGdnZR_19G_WP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>>>>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >>>>> And, GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and Wuling, Saab, Saturn and >>>>> Hummer. Of course, the last three brands will be closed down or sold. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five >>>>>>>> North >>>>>>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>>>>>> recalled >>>>>>>> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>>>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>>>>> production. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints >>>>>>> wleded to >>>>>>> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 21:11 You are correct Toyota has not clue as to why their cars, with various types of throttle systems are going out of control, but the fact is they are going out of control hence the federal sales stop order. <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:h9r1m5lg9agj48o5c5rg5t6dvltkf0gn5l(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:19:55 -0500, "Mike Hunter" > <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > >>You mean like cutting off the bottom of the accelerator? > > Temporary attempt to fix an unproven problem - better than doing > nothing, IF it had been the problem. > > To this point in time there is NO PROOF the throttles are sticking. > Much less any idea WHY or WHERE they are sticking. > > Yes, some cars have "run away" and some people have been killed - but > no vehicle has had the throttle stick under controlled conditions or > in the hands of a technician who can then determine what went wrong. > > VERY perplexing for the engineers, for sure. >> >>"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>news:boydnQXttfoAyv3WnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> >>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>> production. >>>> >>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded >>>> to >>>> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Mercedes did the same thing a few years ago with that ugly A class >>> a few years ago. They stopped sales and stopped all manufacture until >>> they got the engineering problem fixed. A lot better move, imo, than >>> the bandaid approach. >> >
From: clare on 27 Jan 2010 21:13 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:33:26 -0500, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote: >Mike Hunter wrote: >> You are wrong again. The only brands owned by GM are Chevrolet, Buick, >> Cadillac and GMC. Their former brands and their former manufacturing >> facilities are "owned" by the bankruptcy court. > >You are such a comedian. I never heard of a bankruptcy court owning >anything. > >Technically, Saab, Saturn and Hummer are owned by Motors Liquidation >Co., the old GM. > >The new GM also owns all or part of GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall, >AC Delco, GMAC, OnStar, Shanghai GM and Wuling. So GM owns more than >just Chevy, GMC, Caddy and Buick. > >Jeff Actually Holden has been wholly australian owned for close to 30 years. Still associated with General motors, but not part of GM World operations. > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:SsudnSSZT6BOQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Actually when you ever catch up you will discover SAAB and Hummer have >>>> been sold, but that has nothing to do with Toyotas massive recall and the >>>> government order to stop selling the cars involved. >>> You might want to tell GM about the sales: >>> http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/ >>> >>> GM still owns Saab, although a deal to sell it is close. >>> >>> And it still lists Hummer as one of its brands. >>> >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:YMGdnZR_19G_WP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>>>>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >>>>> And, GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and Wuling, Saab, Saturn and >>>>> Hummer. Of course, the last three brands will be closed down or sold. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >>>>>>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>>>>>> recalled >>>>>>>> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>>>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>>>>> production. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>
From: GIga on 27 Jan 2010 22:21 Just curious - what the hell does this have to do with Lexus? My brothers have the same parents that I do, but I don't think their problems reflect on me... GIga "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d69dac46-67a0-4d1a-b9db-94a5f53016d1(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North > American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models > recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." > > From The Detroit News: > http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B
From: dsi1 on 27 Jan 2010 22:52
On 1/27/2010 3:53 PM, Mike Hunter wrote: > Me thinks it is the micro processors logarithms. You just can't trust those microscopic silicon circuits and complex programs to not go bonkers every once in a while. OTOH, it's a good thing automotive control systems don't have the reliability of PCs and Macs. > > > "dsi1"<dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote in message > news:gh58n.5189$1m3.4527(a)newsfe11.iad... >> On 1/27/2010 12:48 PM, Tom wrote: >>> Toyota has only known about this problem since2007 >>>> >>> Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its >>> Tundra pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company >>> determined that the problem was caused by the material in the >>> accelerators' friction lever and made a change. >> >> What's a "friction lever?" It's interesting that this problem appears in >> wire and drive-by-wire systems. This probably means that the problem is >> not with the drive-by-wire. If this happens in cars without the problem >> floor mats, it probably means the floor mats are not the problem either. >> The investigators should check out the components common to Toyotas with >> with a history of this problem. That should narrow it down. >> >> In cases of runaway acceleration, I tend to believe it's driver's error. >> This however, appears to be something different. >> >>> >>> At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated >>> to safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway >>> Traffic Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in >>> December 2008 in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, >>> the Aygo and Yaris. >>> >>> The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused >>> increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. >>> Toyota lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its >>> materials on all vehicles produced in Europe using the subject >>> accelerator pedals starting in mid-August 2009. >>> >>> Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking >>> accelerator pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the >>> material used in >> > > |