Toyota's massive recall woes halt production, ding top quality rep
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From: C. E. White on 28 Jan 2010 12:52 "ben91932" <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:df8c2f02-6608-4959-a6e9-6f42114a91ca(a)m6g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > IMHO, Toyota will come through this with flying colors. It is far to late for Toyota to come through with flying colors. As usual they waited until NHTSA was about to issue a mandatory recall. Per the usual Toyota practice they denied the problem, lied about the problem, tired to mislead NHTSA, and tried to blame their Customers. Only when facing a manadatory recall do they play the "good guy" and issuae a recall. When are you guys going to wise up and understand that not only does Toyota have as many quality and safety proplems as GM or Ford, but they are far far more resistant to fixing problems. I don't say this is grounds for not buying Toyota's (virtually everyone but me in my family has a Toyota) but you shouldn't let the myth of Toyota quality and good Customer service mislead you into paying more for an inferior product. The most impressive part of the Toyota organization is the propoganda machine. Open up your eyes! Quit being a lemming...Moving forward...off the edge...oh what a feeling...pain....... Ed
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 28 Jan 2010 14:14 Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: > >> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models recalled >> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >> >> From The Detroit News: >> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B > > Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops > production. It beats the system we used when I was at Boeing. All the PHBs visited Japanese manufacturers to learn about lean manufacturing, continuous quality improvement, etc. And the only idea they brought back was the moving assembly line. Unlike Toyota, nothing stops our line. If a part comes in late, its up to you to chase after the plane and get it bolted on. This ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zqTYgcpfg hit too close to home. One of our assembly plants' hangar doors opened out towards Lake Washington. We used to joke that, if the planes didn't pass QA, the line wouldn't stop. We'd just push the failures into the lake. IMO, Toyota has the right idea when it comes to fixing a quality problem. Had the carpet bug not masked the problem with the pedal mechanism, they could have had this shutdown some time ago. -- Paul Hovnanian paul(a)hovnanian.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Have gnu, will travel.
From: Tegger on 28 Jan 2010 14:56 "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote in news:HLidnZP-PeZNfPzWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d(a)posted.isomediainc: > Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > >> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >> >>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five >>> North American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>> >>> From The Detroit News: >>> > http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350 > #ixzz0dmQAmB7B >> >> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >> production. > > It beats the system we used when I was at Boeing. All the PHBs visited > Japanese manufacturers to learn about lean manufacturing, continuous > quality improvement, etc. And the only idea they brought back was the > moving assembly line. Unlike Toyota, nothing stops our line. If a part > comes in late, its up to you to chase after the plane and get it > bolted on. And you did this with PASSENGER AIRPLANES??? Remind me never to fly on a Boeing ever again. But then Airbus probably does the same thing. -- Tegger
From: Mike Hunter on 28 Jan 2010 15:10 It is bad enough that we must always be on the alert for drunken drivers and people talking or texting on cell phones, now it appears we must be on the look our for "runaway Toyotas." There was story on TV today about a lady driving her Toyota Camry in to a store front. The police report said she was pulling out from a traffic light and the Camry "just kept picking up speed when I took my foot off the gas.' Two people in the store as well as the driver were injured, thankfully none of them seriously, but the Camry was totaled. "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:hjsjca$grn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "ben91932" <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:df8c2f02-6608-4959-a6e9-6f42114a91ca(a)m6g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > >> IMHO, Toyota will come through this with flying colors. > > It is far to late for Toyota to come through with flying colors. As usual > they waited until NHTSA was about to issue a mandatory recall. Per the > usual Toyota practice they denied the problem, lied about the problem, > tired to mislead NHTSA, and tried to blame their Customers. Only when > facing a manadatory recall do they play the "good guy" and issuae a > recall. When are you guys going to wise up and understand that not only > does Toyota have as many quality and safety proplems as GM or Ford, but > they are far far more resistant to fixing problems. I don't say this is > grounds for not buying Toyota's (virtually everyone but me in my family > has a Toyota) but you shouldn't let the myth of Toyota quality and good > Customer service mislead you into paying more for an inferior product. > The most impressive part of the Toyota organization is the propoganda > machine. Open up your eyes! Quit being a lemming...Moving forward...off > the edge...oh what a feeling...pain....... > > Ed >
From: Mike Hunter on 28 Jan 2010 15:12
No Airbus's get up in the air OK, THEN they fall down. ;) "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D0E97F8DFFCBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote in > news:HLidnZP-PeZNfPzWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d(a)posted.isomediainc: > >> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>> >>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five >>>> North American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>> >>>> From The Detroit News: >>>> >> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350 >> #ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>> >>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>> production. >> >> It beats the system we used when I was at Boeing. All the PHBs visited >> Japanese manufacturers to learn about lean manufacturing, continuous >> quality improvement, etc. And the only idea they brought back was the >> moving assembly line. Unlike Toyota, nothing stops our line. If a part >> comes in late, its up to you to chase after the plane and get it >> bolted on. > > > > And you did this with PASSENGER AIRPLANES??? > > Remind me never to fly on a Boeing ever again. But then Airbus probably > does the same thing. > > > > -- > Tegger > |