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From: dr_jeff on 27 Jan 2010 20:36 Mike Hunter wrote: > No, not if that's all one can afford, but why would anyone want something > that the previous owner(s) no longer wanted, if one could afford a new > vehicle? Why did the previous owner not want something anymore? Couldn't make the payments on the BMW? Too much gas for the big SUV? Needed a bigger car than the Ford Focus? There are different reasons why someone would want to get rid of a car besides quality issues. That's why people often lease a vehicle rather than buy them, too. And, often, people realize that by buying a car that is 2 or 3 years old, one can get a nearly new car for far less than a brand new car. In the long run, it is often far more economical. > Do you buy used clothing, appliances and furniture as well? What would be wrong with doing that? Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:SsudnSeZT6BmQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are used >>> car buyers. >> Something wrong with buying used cars? >> >> >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:YMGdnZd_19GgWP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still >>>>> buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models. >>>> only used >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:pan.2010.01.27.00.37.45.547150(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Myself, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> likes of a Toyota. >>>>>> Really? What DO you put them into? >>>>>> >>>>>> My last Toyota was recalled for... >>>>>> >>>>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static >>>>>> on >>>>>> the radio. >>>>>> >>>>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into >>>>>> reverse at any time... >>>>>> >>>>>> Chevy making rolling blunders >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you >>>>>> can >>>>>> get at a good price. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >
From: dr_jeff on 27 Jan 2010 20:38 Mike Hunter wrote: > You can continue to believe that if you wish, but the US Commerce Department > says most of what Toyota sells is in the US is imported and those vehicles > and the parts they do ASSEMBLE in the US are assembled of imported > MATERIALS. Even Toyota says "assembled in the US, of world sourced parts > and materials." The Commerce Department doesn't say anything about it. The NHTSA tracks that stuff. So please either show us the URL of the site that has this info or stop making a fool of yourself. And do you think that GM and Ford only use parts from the US? If you do, you are as stupid as you sound. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:SsudnSaZT6C2Q_3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as >>> most of the models it sells in the US? >> Yet it builds most of the cars it sells in North America. And most of the >> parts in the those cars come from the US, too. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message >>> news:g8f1m596lv0uk23r9iqgkg6v7ojcgt3ece(a)4ax.com... >>>> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words: >>>>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until >>>>> they >>>>> finish raping America while >>>>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >>>>> these people do not like us only our money >>>>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. >>>> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and >>>> supply US workers with a living? >>>> >>>> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign >>>> made >>>> parts. >>>> >>>> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler >>>> product. >>>> >
From: clare on 27 Jan 2010 20:52 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:19:55 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >You mean like cutting off the bottom of the accelerator? Temporary attempt to fix an unproven problem - better than doing nothing, IF it had been the problem. To this point in time there is NO PROOF the throttles are sticking. Much less any idea WHY or WHERE they are sticking. Yes, some cars have "run away" and some people have been killed - but no vehicle has had the throttle stick under controlled conditions or in the hands of a technician who can then determine what went wrong. VERY perplexing for the engineers, for sure. > >"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >news:boydnQXttfoAyv3WnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> >>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>> production. >>> >>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to >>> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>> >>> >> >> Mercedes did the same thing a few years ago with that ugly A class >> a few years ago. They stopped sales and stopped all manufacture until >> they got the engineering problem fixed. A lot better move, imo, than >> the bandaid approach. >
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 20:59 Then why mention GM, when Toyota has the problem? Are you trying to make Toyota look good? "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.01.27.20.16.59.805726(a)e86.GTS... > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:23:36 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > >> How do you thinks that would that have prevented Toyotas massive safety >> recall? LOL >> > > It wouldn't. But I am betting GM has learned NOTHING and will keep making > the cheapest product possible to please the shareholders, and not the > customers. > > Toyota will learn from this. > >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:pan.2010.01.27.17.55.34.757905(a)e86.GTS... >>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:10:50 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>> >>>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >>> >>> And still haven't learned anything. >>> >>> Government should have let them sink, except for the 68,000 union votes >>> it brings in. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >>>>>> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models >>>>>> recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >>>>>> >>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>>> >>>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>>> production. >>>>> >>>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded >>>>> to make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 27 Jan 2010 16:06
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:59:44 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > Then why mention GM, when Toyota has the problem? Are you trying to make > Toyota look good? Why would I do that? Just because they have had fewer, and less serious recalls than GM, even though they have been selling cars all over the world since before WWII? > > > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2010.01.27.20.16.59.805726(a)e86.GTS... >> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:23:36 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >> >>> How do you thinks that would that have prevented Toyotas massive safety >>> recall? LOL >>> >>> >> It wouldn't. But I am betting GM has learned NOTHING and will keep >> making the cheapest product possible to please the shareholders, and not >> the customers. >> >> Toyota will learn from this. >> >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2010.01.27.17.55.34.757905(a)e86.GTS... >>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:10:50 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> >>>>> GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes >>>>> Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC >>>> >>>> And still haven't learned anything. >>>> >>>> Government should have let them sink, except for the 68,000 union >>>> votes it brings in. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five >>>>>>> North American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight >>>>>>> models recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator >>>>>>> pedals." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>>> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B >>>>>> >>>>>> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >>>>>> production. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints >>>>>> wleded to make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> |