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From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 12:07 According to Automotive News, at this point Toyota does not have a clue as to the cause. At first engineers believed it was caused by certain types of floor mats. That led to a recall and an advisory to dealers to cut off a part of the bottom of the accelerator, until new shorter ones could be made available. Turns out the accelerator petal was NOT the problem and engineers suspected that it was the linkage itself, because Toyota with cut off accelerator petals were running away. However after over a dozen deaths it soon became apparent it was NOT the linkage either, because vehicles with fly by wire throttle controls were running away as well. Most other manufactures have an override that disables the electronic throttle when the brakes are applied, but Toyota does not. That does not take into account the fact that manual linkages on older vehicles are also having the problem. The fact that both manual and fly by wire systems are going out of control is perplexing, thus the stop selling order, as engineers scramble for the cause. If Toyota dealers can't sell, Toyota must stop manufacturing and importing vehicles or they will end up in the position they were at the end of 2009 with hundreds of thousands of unsold vehicles still in plant storage lots and at ports of entry. When Toyota shut down the Tundra plant for three months, because of its dismal sales, it still paid the workers at the Texas plant. Toyota had no comment on whether they would pay it workers around the world during this massive shut down. Stay tuned! john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d69dac46-67a0-4d1a-b9db-94a5f53016d1(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North > American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models > recalled last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." > > From The Detroit News: > http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 12:10 GM stopped production of the Fiero years ago and not longer makes Pontiac. GM today is comprised of Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.01.26.23.00.55.736541(a)e86.GTS... > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:31:35 -0800, john wrote: > >> "Toyota Motor Corp. said today it would halt production at five North >> American plants and order dealers to stop selling eight models recalled >> last week over concerns with sticking accelerator pedals." >> >> From The Detroit News: >> http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/danielhowesblog/index.php?blogid=350#ixzz0dmQAmB7B > > Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops > production. > > Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to > make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. > > >
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 12:19 You mean like cutting off the bottom of the accelerator? "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:boydnQXttfoAyv3WnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> >> Instead of 'slowing down' when an error is realized, Toyota stops >> production. >> >> Gm would do well to learn from this. Burning Fieros, CV joints wleded to >> make a FWD engine a RWD engine, etc. >> >> > > Mercedes did the same thing a few years ago with that ugly A class > a few years ago. They stopped sales and stopped all manufacture until > they got the engineering problem fixed. A lot better move, imo, than > the bandaid approach.
From: ben91932 on 27 Jan 2010 15:26 On Jan 27, 9:18 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue? GM: Rolling Corvairs and full size cars that broke motor mounts and locked the steering. Several hundred dead. Ford: Exploding mustang gas tanks in the '60's which Ford knew about and remedied by making the Pinto. Several hundred more dead. These issues were known by the car makers before the cars were sold. Their accountants calculated that the loss of life, lawsuits etc would cost less overall than the $15 to $17 a car it would have cost them to make them safe. Ben
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 16:28
Old news, Toyota is killing folks TODAY with their so called superior cars and SUVs "ben91932" <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:466c19e6-9469-4e12-8948-fec84cc21759(a)l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Jan 27, 9:18 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue? GM: Rolling Corvairs and full size cars that broke motor mounts and locked the steering. Several hundred dead. Ford: Exploding mustang gas tanks in the '60's which Ford knew about and remedied by making the Pinto. Several hundred more dead. These issues were known by the car makers before the cars were sold. Their accountants calculated that the loss of life, lawsuits etc would cost less overall than the $15 to $17 a car it would have cost them to make them safe. Ben |