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From: Mike Hunter on 18 Feb 2010 10:35 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) With all of the complaints about JD Powers surveys in a Toyota NG, one would suspect that Toyota is not doing as well as some others in those reports. Is that the case? "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hli4us$70v$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:53:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:08 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>>>hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity >>>>>to admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >>>> >>>> >>>> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs >>>> do you think are needed on a Ford? >>> >>>You have got to be kidding... >>> >>>I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. >>> >>> >>> >> Go read the JD power data and covert it to defects per CAR, not per 100 >> cars, and you'll see just how little actual difference there is between >> any of the cars in the top half of the food chain. > > Are these the "Initial Quality Surveys"? Any new car I get better pass one > of these, because they're conducted within three months of buying a car. > > If a car can't pass one of these in 90 days, the automaker needs to go out > of business. > > But, the governemt shored up GM, didn't they? > > >
From: Mike Hunter on 18 Feb 2010 10:47 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) Toyota makes good vehicle but what makes you believe that only Toyotas can be run up high miles? There are plenty of other brands that do likewise. If one does the proper preventive maintenance any vehicle will last for 300,000 miles or more. I saw thousands of them run to 300,000 or more in less than five years, when I owned my fleet service business. If you look at the Cash for Clunker statistics you will see the most traded vehicle was the mid eighties Ford Explorer with and average of 300,000 miles to 500,000 miles on the clock "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hli5gt$vh9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:43:25 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> On 02/17/2010 07:33 AM, Bob Cooper wrote: >>> In article<59mdnZOc-YSqlOHWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, >>> me(a)privacy.net says... >>>> >>> >>> Powers has done a 3 year dependability study for years. Of course with >>> Buick at the top of their list, it's a sure thing you'll discount it, >>> what with all your boneyard counting. After all it's still only a 3 year >>> study. >> >> yes, only 3 years. that's typically 36,000 miles. hardly a real "test". > > 1978 Corolla 1200...only 50,000 miles before being done in by a > "Rustang"... > > 1980 Corolla SR5 6 years and 244,000 miles. Finally traded for... > > 1985 Corolla GTS, 20 years and 258,000 miles. Sits in my back yard... > > 1988 Supra, 22 years, 215,000 miles...resting until spring. > > 1985 Celica GTS, 21 years and 245,000 miles. > > Real world tests by someone who likes Toyotas for a reason. > >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Feb 2010 19:24 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:35 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a problem. >> >>Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct level. >> >> >> > You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you return to > the land of the rational. Bye bye. I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to drive a Tercel like a Supra. Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a perfectly good car all by yourself.
From: Ashton Crusher on 19 Feb 2010 00:21 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:55 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:35 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >>> >>>Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a problem. >>> >>>Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct level. >>> >>> >>> >> You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you return to >> the land of the rational. Bye bye. > >I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to drive a >Tercel like a Supra. > >Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a perfectly good >car all by yourself. > > Believe what you want. It's your delusion.
From: Ashton Crusher on 19 Feb 2010 00:21
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:13:40 -0800 (PST), Toyota <toyotabrakerecall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Feb 11, 6:29�pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) �I wonder if there will be >> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >> in the Mitsubishi case. >> >> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >> >> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that >> someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause >> injuries, or worse, to the company's customers. >> >> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including >> its former president, had been arrested and charged." >> >> From The Detroit News:http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/au... > >Is your vehicle involved? > >2005-2010 Avalon >2009-2010 RAV4 >2007-2010 Camry >2008-2010 Sequoia >2009-2010 Corolla >2005-2010 Tacoma >2008-2010 Highlander >2007-2010 Tundra >2009-2010 Matrix >2009-2010 VENZA >2004-2009 Prius >2010 Lexus HS 250h >2007-2010 Lexus ES350 >2006-2010 Lexus IS250s >2006-2010 Lexus IS350s > >Get the Latest Facts at http://www.ToyotaBrakeRecall.org it would be easier for Toyota to post a list of the vehicles NOT being recalled. |