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From: Jeff Strickland on 20 Feb 2010 20:43 "Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message news:b6j0o5t9t42o4k75jqmo8jlvce0k53gluc(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:32:42 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >>On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:21:00 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:55 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:35 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a >>>>>>problem. >>>>>> >>>>>>Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct level. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you return >>>>> to the land of the rational. Bye bye. >>>> >>>>I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to drive >>>>a Tercel like a Supra. >>>> >>>>Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a perfectly good >>>>car all by yourself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Believe what you want. It's your delusion. >> >>Not mine at all. You must have done something serious to be able to ruin >>this transmission. >> >>This transmission is rated 131 hp, and is mated to an engine that produces >>108. You should congratulate yuourself for being clever enough to ruin an >>transmission rated 28 HP more than the engine can produce. >> >>The spec for 1st gear is 34MPH. You probably managed to exceed that, and >>probably the 2nd gear spec, too. Ever hear of an Owner's Manual? It's in >>there. >> >> > > Is English a second language for you? What part of "it was shifting > itself in fully automatic mode" do you not understand? Just like > every other car I've driven. I drive them all the same, it was only > the Toyota that could not hold up to a few full throttle automatically > controlled up shifts a week. It appears you really have little > understanding of how cars work. You're the reason why buying a Used Car is a dangerous proposition. If you drive all cars to red line before they shift, you're doing serious damage to the engine and the transmission. I had automatic transmissions that made this kind of shift a handful of times in all of the years I owned them, and none that ever made them more once in the same quarter. There isn't an automatic transmission made that's intended to make full throttle shifts at or near red line, a few times a week. It doesn't matter that you claim you do it all of the time, it's no way to treat your machine. Ever. Period.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Feb 2010 21:39 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:35:27 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: > > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:87qdnT9O1OQKFx3WnZ2dnUVZ_gpi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 02/20/2010 03:10 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:17:43 -0800, jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 02/20/2010 01:00 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:32:42 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:21:00 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:55 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:35 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a >>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct >>>>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you >>>>>>>>> return >>>>>>>>> to the land of the rational. Bye bye. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to >>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>> a Tercel like a Supra. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a >>>>>>>> perfectly good >>>>>>>> car all by yourself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Believe what you want. It's your delusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not mine at all. You must have done something serious to be able to >>>>>> ruin >>>>>> this transmission. >>>>>> >>>>>> This transmission is rated 131 hp, and is mated to an engine that >>>>>> produces >>>>>> 108. You should congratulate yuourself for being clever enough to >>>>>> ruin an >>>>>> transmission rated 28 HP more than the engine can produce. >>>>>> >>>>>> The spec for 1st gear is 34MPH. You probably managed to exceed that, >>>>>> and >>>>>> probably the 2nd gear spec, too. Ever hear of an Owner's Manual? >>>>>> It's in >>>>>> there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Is English a second language for you? What part of "it was shifting >>>>> itself in fully automatic mode" do you not understand? Just like >>>>> every other car I've driven. I drive them all the same, it was only >>>>> the Toyota that could not hold up to a few full throttle >>>>> automatically controlled up shifts a week. >>>> >>>> so you say dude, so you say. pity all the others of millions of >>>> toyota abusers out there can't corroborate your assertion though, >>>> don't you think? then you'd be on to something. >>>> >>>> >>>>> It appears you really have little >>>>> understanding of how cars work. >>>> >>>> seems you really have little understanding of how to support a logical >>>> argument, let alone actually observe mechanical performance. >>> >>> >>> I'm just going to kill file you and save us both a lot of wasted >>> typing. >> >> i have a better solution - don't post fabricated bullshit, then people >> won't call you on it. guaranteed to work. >> >> > ... said the pot, while pointing his crooked little finger at the kettle. > > You've posted nothing but unsubstantiated assertions for as long as I can > remember. > > 1.) E-spec lighting is illegal because Detroit says so. Yeah, right. 2.) > Foreign cars have separate turn and brake lamps, Detroit cars have the > same light for brakes and turns. Yeah, right. 3.) Metric doesn't work in > America because Detroit says so. > > Having said that, I'd not expect any transmission to hold up for very long > while pulling "full throttle shifts A FEW TIMES PER WEEK." Why on earth > would anybody subject an econo-box of any make or model to full throttle > shifts a few times a YEAR, much less a few times a week? (which is the > same position that Jim Beam is taking) That's absurdity that exceeds the > assertion that Detroit blocks e-spec lighting from coming here. He's pissed all he could afford was a Tercel and was trying to make a Drift racer out of it.
From: Clive Coleman on 21 Feb 2010 08:09 In message <hlpouc$tdf$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >If you don't think an autmatic transmission can exceed it's own spec speed >limit under "full throttle shifts", then there's hope for you... On a slightly different tack, on the times I've been to America, I have used hire cars (obviously), but I've found that kickdown takes about 4 or 5 seconds to activate which is quite disturbing when you're trying to overtake. Why does it take so long. -- Clive
From: Nate Nagel on 21 Feb 2010 08:44 On 02/21/2010 08:09 AM, Clive Coleman wrote: > In message <hlpouc$tdf$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >> If you don't think an autmatic transmission can exceed it's own spec >> speed >> limit under "full throttle shifts", then there's hope for you... > On a slightly different tack, on the times I've been to America, I have > used hire cars (obviously), but I've found that kickdown takes about 4 > or 5 seconds to activate which is quite disturbing when you're trying to > overtake. Why does it take so long. You're getting some low-spec inexpensive cars that have already been beaten on like, well, rental cars by everyone that's driven them before. In other words, they weren't that good to begin with, and they've been severely abused besides. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Nate Nagel on 21 Feb 2010 08:47
On 02/21/2010 08:09 AM, Clive Coleman wrote: > In message <hlpouc$tdf$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >> If you don't think an autmatic transmission can exceed it's own spec >> speed >> limit under "full throttle shifts", then there's hope for you... > On a slightly different tack, on the times I've been to America, I have > used hire cars (obviously), but I've found that kickdown takes about 4 > or 5 seconds to activate which is quite disturbing when you're trying to > overtake. Why does it take so long. BTW this has NOT been my experience with recent GM products, my complaint is that they downshift at the slightest provocation, and also the torque converter locks and unlocks constantly (it unlocks whenever you lift your foot completely off the accelerator, for example, and then re-locks a few seconds after you get on the gas, which drives me freaking apes**t and also lets the car essentially freewheel down hills) All this hectic action can't be good for the transmixer, I think I will have the fluid changed in the Impala at its next service (should be 35000 miles unless the oil change light comes on sooner) nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |