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From: Mike Hunter on 14 Feb 2010 10:36 I doubt the woman and the old men, who are Toyotas primary buyer according to market reports, drive then hard. "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hl876m$mvm$4(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>In article >>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>> >>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>> >>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>> >>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>> >>>> From The Detroit News: >>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>> >>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>without question. >> >> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard >> driving. >> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. > > > Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. > > You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". > >
From: Ashton Crusher on 14 Feb 2010 20:10 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:04:16 -0600, Ed Maier <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote: >> >>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote: >>>> >>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62 >>>>> Corvair Monza, >>>> >>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> God no. >>> >>> Ed Maier >> >> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on the...er...yeah. >> >> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time. >> >> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair. >> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair >> parts...) >> >> >> >My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed >like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did >find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but >it was very disconcerting. > >Ed Maier > My 60 was Very susceptible to crosswinds at highway speeds. Might be the same thing you are referring too. Still, I regularly drove it at 80 mph between Phx and LA.
From: Ashton Crusher on 14 Feb 2010 20:12 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>In article >>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>> >>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>> >>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>> >>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>> >>>> From The Detroit News: >>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>> >>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>without question. >> >> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. > > >Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. > Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same after. >You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". > I never abuse a car.
From: Hachiroku on 14 Feb 2010 20:32 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:12:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>In article >>>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>>> >>>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>>> >>>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>>> >>>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>>> >>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>>> >>>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>>without question. >>> >>> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >>> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >>> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. >> >> >>Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. >> > > Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle > shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same > after. Never happened to me. 1995 Tercel CX, used to drive it at 50 everywhere, 80 on the highway. > > >>You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". >> > > I never abuse a car. Obviously, if you managed to damage a Toyota transmission, which are usually rated 50 HP minimum, and sometimes up to 100 above it's application, you do.
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 20:36
On 02/14/2010 05:32 PM, Hachiroku wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:12:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu''<nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article >>>>> <b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> john<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>>>> >>>>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>>>> >>>>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>>>> >>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>>>> >>>>> My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>>> few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>>> without question. >>>> >>>> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >>>> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >>>> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. >>> >>> >>> Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. >>> >> >> Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle >> shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same >> after. > > Never happened to me. i think you need to account for the "bullshit" factor - anyone can write all kinds of garbage on usenet - doesn't mean they've got the slightest intention of representing the truth. > 1995 Tercel CX, used to drive it at 50 everywhere, > 80 on the highway. > >> >> >>> You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". >>> >> >> I never abuse a car. > > Obviously, if you managed to damage a Toyota transmission, which are > usually rated 50 HP minimum, and sometimes up to 100 above it's > application, you do. > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum |