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From: Mike Hunter on 17 Feb 2010 11:42 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:G92dnctt89vzhOHWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/17/2010 08:01 AM, Bob Cooper wrote:
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 13:02 In message <59mdnZOc-YSqlOHWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> writes >> The Powers studies survey 1000's of cars. They pay the car owner a >> small sum to fill out their survey forms. >> Might not be perfect, but it measures a wide range of owner experience. >> In house testing of one or two samples isn't real world, and always >> turns out to reveal more about the testers' preferences/prejudices than >> anything else. >> Just as your use of the word "rubbish" reveals yours. >> As good a reason as any to prefer Powers over usenet postings. You've obviously never subscribed to "Which?" But you should be able to get a taste of what they're like from their web site. Because the don't work alone they do test hundreds of cars as the work is shared with other consumer magazines across Europe, and they also send out questionnaires to their readership but they don't pay for them, otherwise they'd get back what people thought they wanted to hear instead of the truth. -- Clive
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 18:32 In message <MPG.25e5c7d16865492989683(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes >Powers has done a 3 year dependability study for years. >Of course with Buick at the top of their list, it's a sure thing you'll >discount it, what with all your boneyard counting. >After all it's still only a 3 year study. Compared to the "Which?" Where the answers in the studies are in two year segments, 2002-2003/2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 so you can see at a glance if a car is improving in quality and reliability or otherwise. -- Clive
From: Bob Cooper on 17 Feb 2010 18:52 In article <9EHk2PHdyHfLFwZk(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk>, Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk says... > > In message <MPG.25e5c7d16865492989683(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob > Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes > >Powers has done a 3 year dependability study for years. > >Of course with Buick at the top of their list, it's a sure thing you'll > >discount it, what with all your boneyard counting. > >After all it's still only a 3 year study. > Compared to the "Which?" Where the answers in the studies are in two > year segments, 2002-2003/2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 so you can see at > a glance if a car is improving in quality and reliability or otherwise. "Which" looks similar to Consumer Reports, which is the long-time - and sometimes disputed - standard measuring device used by those who let magazines select their cars for them in the U.S. They also use their subscribers to measure older cars. It's been pointed out numerous times in these newsgroups that CR and JDPower "track well" against each other. I've never verified that.
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 19:04
In message <MPG.25e63cc269e2a913989687(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes >JDPower "track well" against each other. >I've never verified that. Consumer Reports and JD Power, on this side of the pond are frequently very different -- Clive |