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From: Clive Coleman on 21 Feb 2010 09:01 In message <hlrdgm110o7(a)news6.newsguy.com>, Nate Nagel <njnagel(a)roosters.net> writes >> On a slightly different tack, on the times I've been to America, I have >> used hire cars (obviously), but I've found that kickdown takes about 4 >> or 5 seconds to activate which is quite disturbing when you're trying to >> overtake. Why does it take so long. > >BTW this has NOT been my experience with recent GM products, my >complaint is that they downshift at the slightest provocation I agree with you, plus the fact that you most probably look after your car. -- Clive
From: Jeff Strickland on 21 Feb 2010 21:27 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hlq6db$bua$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> Having said that, I'd not expect any transmission to hold up for very >> long >> while pulling "full throttle shifts A FEW TIMES PER WEEK." Why on earth >> would anybody subject an econo-box of any make or model to full throttle >> shifts a few times a YEAR, much less a few times a week? (which is the >> same position that Jim Beam is taking) That's absurdity that exceeds the >> assertion that Detroit blocks e-spec lighting from coming here. > He's pissed all he could afford was a Tercel and was trying to make a > Drift racer out of it. > > > Drifting in a FWD? I thought one got FWD to avoid drifting. There's nothing in the whole world like hanging the back end out and feathering the gas to make the car drift sidways across the parking lot. I suppose winding the motor to redline to force a shift, "a few times a week," is somthing one might do while trying to drift the rear end. No, that wouldn't work.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 21 Feb 2010 22:39 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:09:22 +0000, Clive Coleman wrote: > In message <hlpouc$tdf$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >>If you don't think an autmatic transmission can exceed it's own spec >>speed limit under "full throttle shifts", then there's hope for you... > On a slightly different tack, on the times I've been to America, I have > used hire cars (obviously), but I've found that kickdown takes about 4 or > 5 seconds to activate which is quite disturbing when you're trying to > overtake. Why does it take so long. Four or five seconds?!?!?! My Subaru takes about a half an hour!
From: Ashton Crusher on 21 Feb 2010 23:26 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:39:39 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:35:27 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: > >> >> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:87qdnT9O1OQKFx3WnZ2dnUVZ_gpi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> On 02/20/2010 03:10 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:17:43 -0800, jim beam<me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 02/20/2010 01:00 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:32:42 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:21:00 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:55 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:35 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I did it three times in one day, quite often. Never had a >>>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then again, I made sure the ATF was correct and at the correct >>>>>>>>>>> level. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are becoming a desperate troll. Get back in touch when you >>>>>>>>>> return >>>>>>>>>> to the land of the rational. Bye bye. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think you either just don't know how to drive, or were trying to >>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>>> a Tercel like a Supra. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Either way, you ruined a perfectly good transmission in a >>>>>>>>> perfectly good >>>>>>>>> car all by yourself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Believe what you want. It's your delusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not mine at all. You must have done something serious to be able to >>>>>>> ruin >>>>>>> this transmission. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This transmission is rated 131 hp, and is mated to an engine that >>>>>>> produces >>>>>>> 108. You should congratulate yuourself for being clever enough to >>>>>>> ruin an >>>>>>> transmission rated 28 HP more than the engine can produce. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The spec for 1st gear is 34MPH. You probably managed to exceed that, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> probably the 2nd gear spec, too. Ever hear of an Owner's Manual? >>>>>>> It's in >>>>>>> there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Is English a second language for you? What part of "it was shifting >>>>>> itself in fully automatic mode" do you not understand? Just like >>>>>> every other car I've driven. I drive them all the same, it was only >>>>>> the Toyota that could not hold up to a few full throttle >>>>>> automatically controlled up shifts a week. >>>>> >>>>> so you say dude, so you say. pity all the others of millions of >>>>> toyota abusers out there can't corroborate your assertion though, >>>>> don't you think? then you'd be on to something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It appears you really have little >>>>>> understanding of how cars work. >>>>> >>>>> seems you really have little understanding of how to support a logical >>>>> argument, let alone actually observe mechanical performance. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm just going to kill file you and save us both a lot of wasted >>>> typing. >>> >>> i have a better solution - don't post fabricated bullshit, then people >>> won't call you on it. guaranteed to work. >>> >>> >> ... said the pot, while pointing his crooked little finger at the kettle. >> >> You've posted nothing but unsubstantiated assertions for as long as I can >> remember. >> >> 1.) E-spec lighting is illegal because Detroit says so. Yeah, right. 2.) >> Foreign cars have separate turn and brake lamps, Detroit cars have the >> same light for brakes and turns. Yeah, right. 3.) Metric doesn't work in >> America because Detroit says so. >> >> Having said that, I'd not expect any transmission to hold up for very long >> while pulling "full throttle shifts A FEW TIMES PER WEEK." Why on earth >> would anybody subject an econo-box of any make or model to full throttle >> shifts a few times a YEAR, much less a few times a week? (which is the >> same position that Jim Beam is taking) That's absurdity that exceeds the >> assertion that Detroit blocks e-spec lighting from coming here. >He's pissed all he could afford was a Tercel and was trying to make a >Drift racer out of it. > > Hardly. It was left over from the in-laws when they died. And they put gentle miles on it. Even so, it blew the head gasket while they had it. Then the Transmission failed. All before 110,000 Toyota quality????
From: Ashton Crusher on 21 Feb 2010 23:26
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:27:28 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >news:hlq6db$bua$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> Having said that, I'd not expect any transmission to hold up for very >>> long >>> while pulling "full throttle shifts A FEW TIMES PER WEEK." Why on earth >>> would anybody subject an econo-box of any make or model to full throttle >>> shifts a few times a YEAR, much less a few times a week? (which is the >>> same position that Jim Beam is taking) That's absurdity that exceeds the >>> assertion that Detroit blocks e-spec lighting from coming here. >> He's pissed all he could afford was a Tercel and was trying to make a >> Drift racer out of it. >> >> >> > >Drifting in a FWD? I thought one got FWD to avoid drifting. There's nothing >in the whole world like hanging the back end out and feathering the gas to >make the car drift sidways across the parking lot. > >I suppose winding the motor to redline to force a shift, "a few times a >week," is somthing one might do while trying to drift the rear end. No, that >wouldn't work. > > > The thing had around 90 hp. Drifting wasn't in the program. |