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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 17:43 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:54:17 -0400, Mike wrote: > Apparently you must believe the Illegal aliens are all law abiding. ;) I'm sure that will go right over their tiny little heads... > > > "pandora" <pandora(a)peak.org> wrote in message > news:67KdnfN9d_zdk87RnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d(a)scnresearch.com... >> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:20:29 -0700, Aratzio wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:15:24 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, >>> pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got double secret probation for writing: >>> >>>>On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:10:06 -0700, Aratzio wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:41:16 -0500, in the land of alt.aratzio, >>>>> pandora <pandora(a)peak.org> got double secret probation for writing: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:36:11 -0500, CharlesGrozny wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:H6l4o.37748$lS1.24264(a)newsfe12.iad... >>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:36:28 -0500, pandora wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <YAWN> Here we go with the straw man of "infringing on the rights >>>>>>>>>> of US citizens." The law wasn't written about US citizens or >>>>>>>>>> Legal Aliens. Why did you have a Green Card? You have to produce >>>>>>>>>> it if asked for it. There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional >>>>>>>>>> about that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not a citizen. And yes, the law, as written, would do exactly >>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How so? If you have a Green Card, you have to produce it to any LEA >>>>>>>> asking to see it. You know that. You could just be walking down the >>>>>>>> street, and if a cop comes up to you and asks you for ID, are you >>>>>>>> going to refuse? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahh for the old days, when aliens had to register by Jan 31st of >>>>>>> each year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Charles Grozny >>>>>> >>>>>>And that would change exactly what? >>>>> >>>>> More government jobs. >>>> >>>>I thought these wingnuts wanted *smaller* government. Oh well. >>> >>> Only when it affects poor or brown people. When it affects them it is >>> "where is the government". >>> >>> What I find hilarious is if the law would have gone into effect the >>> number of hours that actual law enforcement officers would have been >>> required to perform just the amount f paperwork would have taken away >>> from their duties. Less time to investigate crimes, lower closures, less >>> convictions, higher crime rates. Then they would be screaming about >>> crime rates going up and completely ignore their own culpability by >>> blaming some new group other than themselves. >> >> More than likely that would be the end result. They just don't seem to >> be able to foresee what extra work would be required. >> >>> The police should not be wasting their time on non-violent immigration >>> law and should in fact be visible and on the street >>> preventing/investigating violent and property crime. >> >> Amen to that! That's their job and what they should be doing.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jul 2010 22:39 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:30:54 -0700, Aratzio wrote: > Really, you people are just stupid in ways that makes me frightened > for our country and our freedoms. You just accept that the police can > do anything they want, regradless of fact or law, to you because they > are the police and you should just submit to their demands because > that is what good little serfs do when their lords demand it of them. Perhaps because I have nothing to hide. I don't particularly care, one way or another. If you don't so anything wrong, you don't get stopped. If you do get stoped and haven't done anything wrong, there are ways to deal with it. Why are you so paranoid? Still like a little Ganja every now and then?
From: % on 30 Jul 2010 22:50 Meat Plow wrote: how's it going feet chow
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 31 Jul 2010 00:14 On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:32:01 -0700, Aratzio wrote: > So go ahead, explain why a passenger in a vehicle that is stopped for > speeding should: > > a. Be required to present ID upon demand. > b. Allow the police to search their person without a warrant. > c. Cooperate in any way unless they have in fact committed a crime? I believe it's called "Citizenship". Something you obviously don't believe in.
From: Aratzio on 31 Jul 2010 01:25
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:14:09 -0400, in the land of alt.aratzio, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> got double secret probation for writing: >On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:32:01 -0700, Aratzio wrote: > >> So go ahead, explain why a passenger in a vehicle that is stopped for >> speeding should: >> >> a. Be required to present ID upon demand. >> b. Allow the police to search their person without a warrant. >> c. Cooperate in any way unless they have in fact committed a crime? > >I believe it's called "Citizenship". So, you feel the police should be authorized to just perform any old thing regardless of the actual law, simply because they are the police. Really, you need to move to Iran or North Korea, you will be much happier someplace without civil rights where your ignorant beliefs will be in line with the actual law. > >Something you obviously don't believe in. > Ah, so believing in the Constitution and the protections which if affords a citizen is in fact uncitizen like behavior in your fucked up *herbert* world. Nothing says wingnut like thinking the police abrogating civil rights is okay, as long as they ask nicely. |