From: Jules on
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:05:57 -0500, mark hoffman wrote:
> The Avalon, I just bought last Saturday... hopped in it, and proceeded to
> drive it 30 some odd miles from SE OK to SW AR where I live. Stereo, cruise,
> a/c all work, and its only got 163,000 miles on it.

That's about the mileage and age of my wife's (the one with the odd
vibration issue, if you're picking this up on

Other than the vibration fault it's got a few other issues, but nothing
major - although the timing belt's up for renewal and I may as well do the
water pump while I'm at it. As it's still on the original alternator /
battery / exhaust I wouldn't be surprised if they don't need replacing in
the next few years.

I'm (surprisingly) impressed with it. I don't normally have much time for
vehicles newer than the 1970s - generally I've found newer stuff to be no
more reliable (assuming the older stuff's well-maintained) and an
expensive PITA to fix when it does break. Given the Winters and some of
the bad roads up here in northern MN (and that the wife puts 100 miles a
day on it) it's doing really well.



From: Steve on
Tegger wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)> wrote in news:4ae70c7c$1
> @kcnews01:
>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all
>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to
>> be a very low number to me. What do other think?
> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of north-
> eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly high, unless that
> missing 20% is all concentrated up here.

Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas in
the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any other
brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt....

From: Mike Hunter on
Is the Corvetter one of GM's new electric cars? ;)

"dr_jeff" <utz(a)> wrote in message
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Perhaps your personal opinion explains why there are so many Crown Vic's
>> and Grand Marquis in Florida and Arizona. There are a large percentage
>> of older folks in those states, that are more highly educated with higher
>> incomes, who maintain their vehicles better and will be less likely to
>> drive in a way that will total the vehicle, than the purchaser of many of
>> the small or midget cars that do not do nearly as well with longevity
>> because they are more likely to keep them till they, or the car, dies.
>> I think one reason one may keep their Toyota longer than average new car
>> buyer, is the average Toyota buyers are older and more likely to be
>> female. They buy cars like they buy their appliances. They rely on what
>> they read in magazine like CR etc., rather than real car guys that read
>> magazines like Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track etc. ;)
> ANd in the 2009 C and D ten best, only two were American brands (Caddy CTS
> and Corvetter). Jeff

From: Mike Hunter on
YA right! You certainly are entitled you own opinion no matter how
convoluted it may be. Perhaps you never heard the word sludge, or you
missed all of the major recalls that Toyota has issued in the past three
years, dr_jeff.

If more buyers believe Toyotas were so good, why is Toyota not number one in
the US as is GM? LOL

"dr_jeff" <utz(a)> wrote in message
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> How smart is a buyer that will pay 20% to 30% more to buy a Toyota, that
>> they think is "better," when there are plenty of cars that are just as
>> good, have bigger engines and get fuel mileage that is as good, or better
>> than, a comparable Toyota?
> They are real smart, because the Toyotas give then better service for a
> longer time at a lower overall price. And they like their cars.
>> "80 Knight" <nospam(a)> wrote in message
>> news:kcadnQ7Gk-B8EXXXnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d(a)
>>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)> wrote in message
>>> news:4ae8670c$0$1625$742ec2ed(a)
>>>> Someone that purchases a Toyota or Honda is more likely to be more
>>>> highly educated and higher income, and will maintain their vehicles
>>>> better...
>>> What drugs were you on when you wrote that?

From: Mike Hunter on
The difference is obvious that there are a lot more of the vehicles from the
sixties seventies and eighties at old car show, from the domestics, England,
Europe, even Italy, still around but rarely any from that time of the so
called superior Jap cars, dr_jeff LOL

"dr_jeff" <utz(a)> wrote in message
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Really? If that were true why does one see so many Fords and Chevy's at
>> old cars shows but hardly ever see any Toyotas or Hondas. If they are
>> so good where are the ones from the sixties and seventies? LOL
> What difference does it make?
> That was a different era. At that time, I was just a smile on my father's
> face.
>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)> wrote in message
>> news:4ae87849$0$1594$742ec2ed(a)
>>> C. E. White wrote:
>>>> This seems to discount the factor I am talking about - Toyota sales
>>>> (both in the US and Canada) have greatly increased over the last twenty
>>>> years.
>>> These rankings are based on the number of vehicles originally sold, they
>>> are not raw numbers. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual
>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that
>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or
>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much
>>> greater reliability.