From: N8N on
On Oct 28, 4:17 pm, cl...(a)snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com>
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> >On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >> N8N  <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >If it's a US-centric list, that makes sense, since neither was sold
> >> >here.
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> >> It's a Canadian list.  That's why it doesn't have Yugo on it.
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> >> However, Peugeot, Renault, and Fiat all sold cars in the US for a while.
> >> You don't see a lot of them on the road today for reasons that will be
> >> immediately apparent if you ever drive one.
> >> --scott
> >> --
> >> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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> >Not in the last 20 years, I don't think.  Last one to leave was
> >Renault I believe in something like '87 or '88?
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> >nate
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> Peugeot/Chrysler stopped selling 505 in 1991 The renaul Alliance  and
> Eagles ended in 1987

You sure about that? I seem to remember the Peugeot dealership in
Pittsburgh packing up and leaving town while Renaults were still being
sold. Your date for Renault sounds about right to me, although I
think they still did sell the Renault-based Eagle Premier for a couple
more years.

nate
From: Mike Hunter on
Really? I own old cars, a 1941, 1964, 1970, 1972 and a 1983 all domestics
and none of them are rusted and I live in the rust belt as well. ;)


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> Roger Blake <rogblake10(a)iname10.com> wrote in
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>> (A car can be kept going pretty much
>> indefinitely if one is sufficiently determined.)
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> And if the climate cooperates.
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> Up here in the Rust Belt it is very very very difficult to keep Mother
> Nature from trying to reclaim a daily-driver-car's body. Impossible,
> really.
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> Tegger
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From: clare on
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:47:54 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njnagel(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 28, 4:17 pm, cl...(a)snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >> N8N  <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> >If it's a US-centric list, that makes sense, since neither was sold
>> >> >here.
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>> >> It's a Canadian list.  That's why it doesn't have Yugo on it.
>>
>> >> However, Peugeot, Renault, and Fiat all sold cars in the US for a while.
>> >> You don't see a lot of them on the road today for reasons that will be
>> >> immediately apparent if you ever drive one.
>> >> --scott
>> >> --
>> >> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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>> >Not in the last 20 years, I don't think.  Last one to leave was
>> >Renault I believe in something like '87 or '88?
>>
>> >nate
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>> Peugeot/Chrysler stopped selling 505 in 1991 The renaul Alliance  and
>> Eagles ended in 1987
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>You sure about that? I seem to remember the Peugeot dealership in
>Pittsburgh packing up and leaving town while Renaults were still being
>sold. Your date for Renault sounds about right to me, although I
>think they still did sell the Renault-based Eagle Premier for a couple
>more years.
>
>nate
Peugeot (in Canada anyways) was sold at select Chrysler dealers for
the last few years - and "officially" they were available in 1991.
The eagle Premier was "kinda" a renault, but it had either the AMC 4cy
or the Volvo/Renault/Peugeot V6 engine - and it was built in Brampton
Ontario. - and was available untill 1992. It was BASED on the R21,
although all dimensions were different.
From: dr_jeff on
Mike Hunter wrote:
> Perhaps your personal opinion explains why there are so many Crown Vic's and
> Grand Marquis in Florida and Arizona. There are a large percentage of older
> folks in those states, that are more highly educated with higher incomes,
> who maintain their vehicles better and will be less likely to drive in a way
> that will total the vehicle, than the purchaser of many of the small or
> midget cars that do not do nearly as well with longevity because they are
> more likely to keep them till they, or the car, dies.
>
> I think one reason one may keep their Toyota longer than average new car
> buyer, is the average Toyota buyers are older and more likely to be female.
> They buy cars like they buy their appliances. They rely on what they read
> in magazine like CR etc., rather than real car guys that read magazines like
> Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track etc. ;)

If you think that you are not biased, you are mistaken. In addition, if
you think that Car and Driver has better advice on which cars to buy
than CR, you are also mistaken. ANd in the 2009 C and D ten best, only
two were American brands (Caddy CTS and Corvetter). So, if you are
saying C and D is for real cars guys, then the real car guys are saying
buy from overseas.

Jeff

> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
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>> dr_jeff wrote:
>>> The numbers are misleading, however. You can have a Lexus that has
>>> 200,000 mi going strong after 20 years, and a Ford Focus that has been
>>> worn out after 500,000 after 3 years.
>> And the reverse could also be true. There are always outliers, but of all
>> the possible reasons for the results, the one you gave is probably the
>> least likely to affect the results.
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>> Remove the luxury makes, the niche brands, and the makes that were not in
>> existence for the full 20 years, and the brands that were the most likely
>> to be on the road for 11-20 years are:
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>> 1. Toyota
>> 2. Honda
>> 3. Mazda
>> 4. Buick
>> 5. VW
>> 6. Buick
>> 7. Chrysler (or is this a luxury brand?)
>> 8. Nissan
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>> The top two are very consistent with what you see on the road, at least in
>> the state I live in. Tons of older Hondas and Toyotas, VWs, and Nissans.
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>> What the survey doesn't take into account is the demographics of the
>> owners. Someone that purchases a Toyota or Honda is more likely to be more
>> highly educated and higher income, and will maintain their vehicles better
>> and will be less likely to drive in a way that will total the vehicle,
>> than the purchaser of many of the makes that did poorly in longevity.
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From: dr_jeff on
Mike Hunter wrote:
> How smart is a buyer that will pay 20% to 30% more to buy a Toyota, that
> they think is "better," when there are plenty of cars that are just as good,
> have bigger engines and get fuel mileage that is as good, or better than, a
> comparable Toyota?

They are real smart, because the Toyotas give then better service for a
longer time at a lower overall price. And they like their cars.

> "80 Knight" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ae8670c$0$1625$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>>> Someone that purchases a Toyota or Honda is more likely to be more highly
>>> educated and higher income, and will maintain their vehicles better...
>> What drugs were you on when you wrote that?
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