What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
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From: Mike Hunter on 29 Oct 2009 14:00 I have always said I believe Toyota makes great stuff, I have owned plenty of them included several Lexus V8s, but from what I see their stuff in generally underpowered and/or over priced or both, compared to many of their competitors. Since I stopped buying imports in 1999 I have saved thousands on the cost of my new vehicles, and hundreds every year in shop rates for service on my domestic brand(s.) The first domestic luxury car I bought alone saved me nearly enough to pay the price of the V8 convertible I purchased at the time, as well, instead of buying another Lexus V8. When folks that ask me what vehicle they should buy, I say first get a total DRIVE Home price on ALL of the vehicle in which they have a interest, from at least two dealerships of the brand. While at the dealership take a look in the shop and note the number of vehicles with major parts sitting on the floor, then buy the one with the price that best suits your budget after you have shopped finance sources if you must finance. Everyone will tell you the BEST one is the brand they bought. The fact is every manufacturer today is making great vehicles, the only real differance among them is style and price, period. My far the largest majority of new vehicle buyers will buy another new one in three to five years with 45,000 to 75,000 on the odometer. Any vehicle today will run to 100,000 miles or more trouble free, when given the proper preventive maintenance. If I were one who kept a vehicle till it died, I would be far more concerned about the much higher prices charged by foreign car dealers for service and parts. "Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message news:86OdnUSh0sxwNnTXnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d(a)texas.net... > Tegger wrote: >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4ae70c7c$1 >> @kcnews01: >> >>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all >>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to >>> be a very low number to me. What do other think? >>> >> >> >> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of north- >> eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly high, unless >> that missing 20% is all concentrated up here. >> > > Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas in > the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any other > brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt.... >
From: dr_jeff on 29 Oct 2009 14:16 Mike Hunter wrote: > The difference is obvious that there are a lot more of the vehicles from the > sixties seventies and eighties at old car show, from the domestics, England, > Europe, even Italy, still around but rarely any from that time of the so > called superior Jap cars, dr_jeff LOL yeap, people like to collect old American cars. It has nothing to do with the relative value of cars that are used as daily drivers or are in show rooms. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:K8CdnTzlSOFje3XXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Really? If that were true why does one see so many Fords and Chevy's at >>> old cars shows but hardly ever see any Toyotas or Hondas. If they are >>> so good where are the ones from the sixties and seventies? LOL >> What difference does it make? >> >> That was a different era. At that time, I was just a smile on my father's >> face. >>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >>> news:4ae87849$0$1594$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>> C. E. White wrote: >>>> >>>>> This seems to discount the factor I am talking about - Toyota sales >>>>> (both in the US and Canada) have greatly increased over the last twenty >>>>> years. >>>> These rankings are based on the number of vehicles originally sold, they >>>> are not raw numbers. Not sure what you're trying to say here. >>>> >>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that >>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or >>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>> greater reliability. >
From: Mike Hunter on 29 Oct 2009 14:22 I guess you REALLY are that slow, dr_jeff LOL "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:QZKdnRKUSs5rRnTXnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> The difference is obvious that there are a lot more of the vehicles from >> the sixties seventies and eighties at old car show, from the domestics, >> England, Europe, even Italy, still around but rarely any from that time >> of the so called superior Jap cars, dr_jeff LOL > > yeap, people like to collect old American cars. It has nothing to do with > the relative value of cars that are used as daily drivers or are in show > rooms. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:K8CdnTzlSOFje3XXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Really? If that were true why does one see so many Fords and Chevy's >>>> at old cars shows but hardly ever see any Toyotas or Hondas. If they >>>> are so good where are the ones from the sixties and seventies? LOL >>> What difference does it make? >>> >>> That was a different era. At that time, I was just a smile on my >>> father's face. >>>> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4ae87849$0$1594$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>>> C. E. White wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This seems to discount the factor I am talking about - Toyota sales >>>>>> (both in the US and Canada) have greatly increased over the last >>>>>> twenty years. >>>>> These rankings are based on the number of vehicles originally sold, >>>>> they are not raw numbers. Not sure what you're trying to say here. >>>>> >>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues >>>>> that Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than >>>>> Fords or Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how >>>>> much greater reliability. >>
From: SMS on 29 Oct 2009 15:19 N8N wrote: > VW's may have occasional niggling issues that other cars don't, but > they last. And last. And last. Until the body rusts apart, which > actually takes quite a long time, an A1 or A2 chassis VW will hardly > ever have something break that is major enough to make you consider > getting rid of it. They're also quite pleasant to drive, feel much > more solid and yet sporty than other similar products from other > mfgrs. Yeah, I owned three VWs in the past. The problem was that the niggling issues were often more than "occasional," and sometimes hard to diagnose. OTOH they have very robust engines, the bodies don't easily rust, the paint is magnitudes better than what you get on a Honda, and replacement parts are widely available because so many of the parts are standard across platforms, across the world. Plus they handle better than the typical Toyota, Honda, or big 3 vehicle of the same size. In my area, Toyota runs an automotive technology program at a local college and turns out copious numbers of well-trained (and continually trained) mechanics. Difficult to diagnose problems that result in needless swapping of expensive components are rare if you have a well trained mechanic.
From: clare on 29 Oct 2009 20:22
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:51:25 -0500, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: >Tegger wrote: >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in news:4ae70c7c$1 >> @kcnews01: >> >>> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all >>> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. This seemed to >>> be a very low number to me. What do other think? >>> >> >> >> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of north- >> eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly high, unless that >> missing 20% is all concentrated up here. >> > >Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas in >the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any other >brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt.... Up here in the rust belt I don't see many. Funny. |