What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
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From: clare on 30 Oct 2009 16:38 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that >>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or >>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>> greater >>>> reliability. >>> >>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>>have >>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you >>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater reliability >>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I certainly >>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal experince >>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American cars. >> >> You have to specify a model/engine. >> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and >> engineering in what they want to sell. >> The domestic brands seldom do that. >> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. >> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, >> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. >> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer >> hope it works out. >> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. >> Spend very little per mile driven. >> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. >> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. >> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >> > Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >border. Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE.
From: clare on 30 Oct 2009 16:38 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:45:34 -0600, Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: > >> >>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... > >>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >>> >> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >>border. > >I was just guessing that the workers putting the cars together within >our borders are getting paid for doing that. >And that they spend some of their wages locally, providing even more >work. >Could be wrong though. Maybe having the middlemen just import a ready >made product from a foreign country is better for the economy. >That's what they say on Wall street I think. >Pretty smart guys there. > >--Vic You ARE joking, I hope (about the clowns on Wall Street being SMART?)
From: Dave on 30 Oct 2009 20:51 "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:779le5puou45nf5kdbgtvrjj7j7hq5d6ac(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... > >>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >>> >> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >>border. > > I was just guessing that the workers putting the cars together within > our borders are getting paid for doing that. > And that they spend some of their wages locally, providing even more > work. > Could be wrong though. Too bad what you wrote didn't more closely resemble what you were guessing.
From: Dave on 30 Oct 2009 21:01 <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:tjjme5dfldjpil0lgasoqlkmgkbkmtg9bu(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" >>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues >>>>> that >>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords >>>>> or >>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>>> greater >>>>> reliability. >>>> >>>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>>>have >>>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you >>>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater >>>>reliability >>>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I >>>>certainly >>>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal >>>>experince >>>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American >>>>cars. >>> >>> You have to specify a model/engine. >>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and >>> engineering in what they want to sell. >>> The domestic brands seldom do that. >>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. >>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, >>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. >>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer >>> hope it works out. >>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. >>> Spend very little per mile driven. >>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. >>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. >>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >>> >> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >>border. > > > Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border > yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE. If you think no money from Toyota or Honda sales ends up in Japan, you are as big a fool as you seem.
From: clare on 30 Oct 2009 22:42
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:01:07 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ><clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message >news:tjjme5dfldjpil0lgasoqlkmgkbkmtg9bu(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:13:42 -0500, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" >>>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues >>>>>> that >>>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords >>>>>> or >>>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>>>> greater >>>>>> reliability. >>>>> >>>>>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>>>>have >>>>>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you >>>>>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater >>>>>reliability >>>>>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I >>>>>certainly >>>>>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal >>>>>experince >>>>>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American >>>>>cars. >>>> >>>> You have to specify a model/engine. >>>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and >>>> engineering in what they want to sell. >>>> The domestic brands seldom do that. >>>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. >>>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, >>>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. >>>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer >>>> hope it works out. >>>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. >>>> Spend very little per mile driven. >>>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. >>>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. >>>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >>>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >>>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >>>> >>> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >>>border. >> >> >> Only if you are buying your USED Chevies from across the border >> yourself. The manufacturer only gets paid for them ONCE. > >If you think no money from Toyota or Honda sales ends up in Japan, you are >as big a fool as you seem. Never said that, dude. Of course some does. As will maney from Hummers go to China. The guy in question said he always bought USED Chevies - and some dummy said that he was crazy to do that because they were made "across the border" - by which I assume he meant in Canada if he was a Yank, or in the USA if he was a Canuk. When you are buying USEED it doesn't matter WHERE it was made, because the manufacturer got their money from the FIRST purchacer, and ONLY from the first purchacer. |