What percentage of 20 year old cars are on the road?
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From: Tegger on 29 Oct 2009 21:34 clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote in news:qccke51mb1b9q7e9evahb4l5sdsd3cviaf(a)4ax.com: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:51:25 -0500, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: > >>Tegger wrote: >>> >>> >>> I guess it depends where you live. In my area (the Rust Belt of >>> north-eastern North America), Toyota's number seems impossibly >>> high, unless that missing 20% is all concentrated up here. >>> >> >>Well, there to a first approximation there are about as many Toyotas >>in the junkyards I prowl for parts here in Texas as there are any >>other brand. And this sure isn't the rust belt.... > > > Up here in the rust belt I don't see many. Funny. > I don't know what wrecking yards you frequent, but my observation is identical to Steve's. Except that American makes are more prevalent in wrecking yards simply due to larger new-car sales. -- Tegger
From: Dave on 29 Oct 2009 22:02 "Hachiroku ハチロク" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hc7ooj$8am$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... > C. E. White wrote: >> A Toyota commercial they are running in my area claims that 80% of all >> Toyota sold in the last 20 years are still on the road. > > And I personally own about half of them... Highly unlikely..
From: Dave on 29 Oct 2009 22:13 "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >> > >> >>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that >>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or >>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>> greater >>> reliability. >> >>This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>have >>greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you >>said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater reliability >>that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I certainly >>can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal experince >>that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American cars. > > You have to specify a model/engine. > What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and > engineering in what they want to sell. > The domestic brands seldom do that. > That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. > Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, > there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. > With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer > hope it works out. > I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. > Spend very little per mile driven. > I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. > But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. > Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company > that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are > foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. > Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the border.
From: E. Meyer on 29 Oct 2009 23:30 On 10/29/09 9:13 PM, in article 7kv0fmF37b4siU1(a)mid.individual.net, "Dave" <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues that >>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords or >>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>> greater >>>> reliability. >>> >>> This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>> have >>> greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If you >>> said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater reliability >>> that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I certainly >>> can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal experince >>> that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American cars. >> >> You have to specify a model/engine. >> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and >> engineering in what they want to sell. >> The domestic brands seldom do that. >> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. >> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, >> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. >> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer >> hope it works out. >> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. >> Spend very little per mile driven. >> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. >> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. >> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >> > Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the > border. > That argument is officially irrelevant now since the Feds gave Chrysler to Fiat, Hummer to China. Apparently sending the money across the border is now the new American way. Funny how the Italians & Chinese think they can make money selling that same stuff.
From: 80 Knight on 30 Oct 2009 00:38
"E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:C70FC81D.13562%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com... > > > > On 10/29/09 9:13 PM, in article 7kv0fmF37b4siU1(a)mid.individual.net, "Dave" > <hairy411(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> "Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:o0vhe5hjrr57i7ek09gj6fbra5pvbu94fb(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:32:38 -0400, "C. E. White" >>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> The problem I see is that those rankings don't list the actual >>>>> percentages. They could be closely grouped together. No one argues >>>>> that >>>>> Toyotas and Hondas have greater longevity and reliability than Fords >>>>> or >>>>> Chevys, the debate is over how much greater longevity and how much >>>>> greater >>>>> reliability. >>>> >>>> This is a ridiculous claim. If you said, "I believe" Toyota and Hondas >>>> have >>>> greater reliability, then I coudn't argue about what you believe. If >>>> you >>>> said many people believe that Toyotas and Hondas have greater >>>> reliability >>>> that Fords and Chevies, then I'd actually agree with you. But I >>>> certainly >>>> can argue about the corretness of this belief. It is my personal >>>> experince >>>> that Toyotas and particualrly Hondas, are not as durable as American >>>> cars. >>> >>> You have to specify a model/engine. >>> What Toyota and Honda have done is concentrate on putting quality and >>> engineering in what they want to sell. >>> The domestic brands seldom do that. >>> That's why Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic have done well. >>> Although I believe the general public holds onto certain myths, >>> there's a basis in the Toyota/Honda myths. >>> With domestics you have to pick well, and if you're a new car buyer >>> hope it works out. >>> I'm a Chevy fan, but I buy used and know what I'm getting. >>> Spend very little per mile driven. >>> I'm sure the same can be done with Fords, but I don't know them. >>> But if I were to buy new, I might go for a Toyota or Honda. >>> Probably feel more secure about getting good engineering and a company >>> that stands behind their cars, and also because the Chevys are >>> foreign-built. I don't like sending money over the border. >>> >> Foreign built or foreign owned, either way money is going across the >> border. >> > That argument is officially irrelevant now since the Feds gave Chrysler to > Fiat, Hummer to China. Apparently sending the money across the border is > now the new American way. Funny how the Italians & Chinese think they can > make money selling that same stuff. There isn't anything "new" about it. North America has been selling itself out to other countries for many years. Take a look at where your computer, TV, microwave, etc., were built. They were once built here, by American workers, but not any longer. The same is happening with the auto industry. Too many people like "SMS" think the Japanese are some type of God's, who can do anything better then the American's, and have no problem sleeping at night knowing our children will be forced to flip burgers at McDonald's for a living...providing there are enough people making enough money to *buy* the McDonald's... |