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From: Bob Cooper on 17 Feb 2010 18:52 In article <9EHk2PHdyHfLFwZk(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk>, Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk says... > > In message <MPG.25e5c7d16865492989683(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob > Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes > >Powers has done a 3 year dependability study for years. > >Of course with Buick at the top of their list, it's a sure thing you'll > >discount it, what with all your boneyard counting. > >After all it's still only a 3 year study. > Compared to the "Which?" Where the answers in the studies are in two > year segments, 2002-2003/2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 so you can see at > a glance if a car is improving in quality and reliability or otherwise. "Which" looks similar to Consumer Reports, which is the long-time - and sometimes disputed - standard measuring device used by those who let magazines select their cars for them in the U.S. They also use their subscribers to measure older cars. It's been pointed out numerous times in these newsgroups that CR and JDPower "track well" against each other. I've never verified that.
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 19:04 In message <MPG.25e63cc269e2a913989687(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes >JDPower "track well" against each other. >I've never verified that. Consumer Reports and JD Power, on this side of the pond are frequently very different -- Clive
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 17 Feb 2010 20:25 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:53:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:08 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>>>hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity >>>>to admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >>> >>> >>> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs >>> do you think are needed on a Ford? >> >>You have got to be kidding... >> >>I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. >> >> >> > Go read the JD power data and covert it to defects per CAR, not per 100 > cars, and you'll see just how little actual difference there is between > any of the cars in the top half of the food chain. Are these the "Initial Quality Surveys"? Any new car I get better pass one of these, because they're conducted within three months of buying a car. If a car can't pass one of these in 90 days, the automaker needs to go out of business. But, the governemt shored up GM, didn't they?
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 17 Feb 2010 20:26 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:40:45 -0600, Steve wrote: > Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>>> hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity >>>> to admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >>> >>> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs >>> do you think are needed on a Ford? >> >> You have got to be kidding... >> >> I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. > > I'd say thats about right. 3 Toy repairs for every 1 Ford repair. Sure Whatever you say. Putz.
From: Ashton Crusher on 18 Feb 2010 00:33
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:14:16 -0800, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote: >On 02/16/2010 09:53 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:08 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>>> hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity to >>>>> admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >>>> >>>> >>>> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs do >>>> you think are needed on a Ford? >>> >>> You have got to be kidding... >>> >>> I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. >>> >>> >> >> Go read the JD power data and covert it to defects per CAR, not per >> 100 cars, and you'll see just how little actual difference there is >> between any of the cars in the top half of the food chain. > >durng the first few months of the vehicle's life - the bit they survey. > if you keep a vehicle longer than that, you'll see a whole different >reality. especially if you go to a junkyard and see all the 10 year old >domestics lined up. You need to give up the bottle. |