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From: Steve on 16 Feb 2010 17:40 Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >>> hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity to >>> admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >> >> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs do >> you think are needed on a Ford? > > You have got to be kidding... > > I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. I'd say thats about right. 3 Toy repairs for every 1 Ford repair.
From: Ashton Crusher on 17 Feb 2010 00:53 On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:08 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >>>hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity to >>>admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >> >> >> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs do >> you think are needed on a Ford? > >You have got to be kidding... > >I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. > > Go read the JD power data and covert it to defects per CAR, not per 100 cars, and you'll see just how little actual difference there is between any of the cars in the top half of the food chain.
From: jim beam on 17 Feb 2010 10:14 On 02/16/2010 09:53 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:16:08 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>>> hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity to >>>> admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. >>> >>> >>> For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs do >>> you think are needed on a Ford? >> >> You have got to be kidding... >> >> I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. >> >> > > Go read the JD power data and covert it to defects per CAR, not per > 100 cars, and you'll see just how little actual difference there is > between any of the cars in the top half of the food chain. durng the first few months of the vehicle's life - the bit they survey. if you keep a vehicle longer than that, you'll see a whole different reality. especially if you go to a junkyard and see all the 10 year old domestics lined up. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 13:02 In message <59mdnZOc-YSqlOHWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> writes >> The Powers studies survey 1000's of cars. They pay the car owner a >> small sum to fill out their survey forms. >> Might not be perfect, but it measures a wide range of owner experience. >> In house testing of one or two samples isn't real world, and always >> turns out to reveal more about the testers' preferences/prejudices than >> anything else. >> Just as your use of the word "rubbish" reveals yours. >> As good a reason as any to prefer Powers over usenet postings. You've obviously never subscribed to "Which?" But you should be able to get a taste of what they're like from their web site. Because the don't work alone they do test hundreds of cars as the work is shared with other consumer magazines across Europe, and they also send out questionnaires to their readership but they don't pay for them, otherwise they'd get back what people thought they wanted to hear instead of the truth. -- Clive
From: Clive on 17 Feb 2010 18:32
In message <MPG.25e5c7d16865492989683(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> writes >Powers has done a 3 year dependability study for years. >Of course with Buick at the top of their list, it's a sure thing you'll >discount it, what with all your boneyard counting. >After all it's still only a 3 year study. Compared to the "Which?" Where the answers in the studies are in two year segments, 2002-2003/2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 so you can see at a glance if a car is improving in quality and reliability or otherwise. -- Clive |