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From: Ashton Crusher on 14 Feb 2010 20:12 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>In article >>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>> >>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>> >>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>> >>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>> >>>> From The Detroit News: >>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>> >>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>without question. >> >> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. > > >Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. > Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same after. >You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". > I never abuse a car.
From: Hachiroku on 14 Feb 2010 20:32 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:12:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>In article >>>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>>> >>>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>>> >>>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>>> >>>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>>> >>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>>> >>>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>>without question. >>> >>> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >>> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >>> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. >> >> >>Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. >> > > Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle > shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same > after. Never happened to me. 1995 Tercel CX, used to drive it at 50 everywhere, 80 on the highway. > > >>You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". >> > > I never abuse a car. Obviously, if you managed to damage a Toyota transmission, which are usually rated 50 HP minimum, and sometimes up to 100 above it's application, you do.
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 20:36 On 02/14/2010 05:32 PM, Hachiroku wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:12:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ????<Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu''<nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article >>>>> <b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> john<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>>>> >>>>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>>>> >>>>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>>>> >>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>>>> >>>>> My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>>> few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>>> without question. >>>> >>>> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >>>> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >>>> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. >>> >>> >>> Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. >>> >> >> Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle >> shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same >> after. > > Never happened to me. i think you need to account for the "bullshit" factor - anyone can write all kinds of garbage on usenet - doesn't mean they've got the slightest intention of representing the truth. > 1995 Tercel CX, used to drive it at 50 everywhere, > 80 on the highway. > >> >> >>> You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". >>> >> >> I never abuse a car. > > Obviously, if you managed to damage a Toyota transmission, which are > usually rated 50 HP minimum, and sometimes up to 100 above it's > application, you do. > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Ashton Crusher on 15 Feb 2010 12:46 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:32:32 -0500, Hachiroku <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:12:04 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:02:46 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article >>>>><b11522a6-0228-4f0e-b59d-a22b55130eb3(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. ;) I wonder if there will be >>>>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did >>>>>> in the Mitsubishi case. >>>>>> >>>>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards >>>>>> >>>>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s >>>>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday, >>>>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or >>>>>> worse, to the company's customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed >>>>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of >>>>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its >>>>>> former president, had been arrested and charged." >>>>>> >>>>>> From The Detroit News: >>>>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100211/OPINION01/2110340/1148/auto01/Toyo >>>>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza >>>>> >>>>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a >>>>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota >>>>>without question. >>>> >>>> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law >>>> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving. >>>> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them. >>> >>> >>>Bullshit. Toyotas love to be driven hard. >>> >> >> Maybe in your experience, certainly not in mine. A few full throttle >> shifts was all the AT in the Tercel could take. it was never the same >> after. > >Never happened to me. 1995 Tercel CX, used to drive it at 50 everywhere, >80 on the highway. > And that has exactly zero to do with their durability under full throttle shifts. >> >> >>>You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse". >>> >> >> I never abuse a car. > >Obviously, if you managed to damage a Toyota transmission, which are >usually rated 50 HP minimum, and sometimes up to 100 above it's >application, you do. > Believe whatever you want. You clearly are a Toyota apologist, just like Jim beam.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 16 Feb 2010 00:16
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:42:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>hey, if i'd not bothered to check, and if i didn't have the integrity to >>admit that, maybe i'd make such an underinformed comment too. > > > For every warranty repair needed on a Toyota, how many warranty repairs do > you think are needed on a Ford? You have got to be kidding... I'd bet it's at least 3 to 1. |