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From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 12:02 jim beam wrote: > "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're > prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the > process or the component or the material. The actual report submitted to the NHTSA has not been released because that agency was shut down due to the snow storm. So we don't yet know exactly what Dana said. The only news reports are based on the notification Toyota sent to the toyota dealers. According to those reports originating from Toyota the defective part is said to be "joint" in the drive shaft. And the failure due to "improper manufacturing process control".
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 12:48 On 02/14/2010 09:02 AM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're >> prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the >> process or the component or the material. > > The actual report submitted to the NHTSA has not been released because > that agency was shut down due to the snow storm. So we don't yet know > exactly what Dana said. The only news reports are based on the > notification Toyota sent to the toyota dealers. > > According to those reports originating from Toyota the defective part > is said to be "joint" in the drive shaft. And the failure due to > "improper manufacturing process control". so are we talking about some rusty frame part, or are we talking driveshaft??? the materials use in manufacture are not the same in both. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 14:00 jim beam wrote: > > On 02/14/2010 09:02 AM, jim wrote: > > > > > > jim beam wrote: > > > >> "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're > >> prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the > >> process or the component or the material. > > > > The actual report submitted to the NHTSA has not been released because > > that agency was shut down due to the snow storm. So we don't yet know > > exactly what Dana said. The only news reports are based on the > > notification Toyota sent to the toyota dealers. > > > > According to those reports originating from Toyota the defective part > > is said to be "joint" in the drive shaft. And the failure due to > > "improper manufacturing process control". > > so are we talking about some rusty frame part, or are we talking > driveshaft??? Can't speak for "we". I only know what i was talking about. Did you know what you were talking about when you said "there's nothing special about ductile iron that would necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting." ? >the materials use in manufacture are not the same in both. > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 19:58 On 02/14/2010 11:00 AM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: >> >> On 02/14/2010 09:02 AM, jim wrote: >>> >>> >>> jim beam wrote: >>> >>>> "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're >>>> prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the >>>> process or the component or the material. >>> >>> The actual report submitted to the NHTSA has not been released because >>> that agency was shut down due to the snow storm. So we don't yet know >>> exactly what Dana said. The only news reports are based on the >>> notification Toyota sent to the toyota dealers. >>> >>> According to those reports originating from Toyota the defective part >>> is said to be "joint" in the drive shaft. And the failure due to >>> "improper manufacturing process control". >> >> so are we talking about some rusty frame part, or are we talking >> driveshaft??? > > Can't speak for "we". I only know what i was talking about. but you're confusing frames with driveshafts. different materials. > Did you know > what you were talking about when you said "there's nothing special about > ductile iron that would necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a > usa casting." ? actually, i know quite a bit about steel production and processing. someone would need a real special reason to import ingot from japan. commodity "ductile iron" ain't it. > > > >> the materials use in manufacture are not the same in both. >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: C. E. White on 15 Feb 2010 08:49
"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:iMWdnXE8qeXi1-rWnZ2dnUVZ_tpi4p2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/13/2010 04:19 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:hl5f5n$l03$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> ....This is not as major a recall as the frames; the first round >>> was >>> 1996 or 97 to 2003, huundreds of thousands of trucks Toyota bought >>> back >>> for 150% of Kelley Blue Book, but a lot of them promptly bought a >>> new >>> Tacoma... >>> >>> Only to find out a year or two later it ALSO had a Dana frame that >>> could >>> rot prematurely! >> >> Dana makes frames for lots of companies. Why does it seem only the >> Toyota frames are so bad there are recalls for them? >> >> Google the following: >> * rusting Toyota frame recall - 3,420,000 hits >> * rusting Ford frame recall - 478,000 hits, and most were actually >> talking about the Toyota rusting frames >> * rusting Chevrolet frame recall - 1,840,00 hits, and again most of >> them >> were actually talking about Rusting Toyota frames >> >> Try it for yourself... >> >> Given the fact that Ford and Chevrolet have each sold more than 10 >> times >> as many trucks as Toyota, don't you think if they had the same sort >> of >> problem with rusting frames, there be more complaints about them on >> the >> internet? >> >> You guys need to quit drinking the Toyota kool-aid. They have >> repeatedly >> shown disregard for there Customer and have to be dragged kicking >> and >> screaming into doing the right thing. >> >> Ed >> > > frod just buries their mistakes. literally. OK, so let's say Ford is horrible. Does this excuse Toyota for being worse? For years some people have been sold the idea that Toyotas had exceptional quality. I never believed it (but I don't think Toyotas are particularly bad either). Now, when it has become apparent that Toyota has problems just like every other manufacturer, some people try to defend Toyota by pointing out that other manufacturers have had recalls also. So what? How this make Toyota look good? Throwing mud at Ford or GM isn't going to fix one Toyota. Pretending that Toyota doesn't have problems is encouraging Toyota executives to continue there past deceitful practices. Ed |