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From: Clive on 14 Feb 2010 04:55 In message <yrudnQlQs6lIy-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the >matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has >managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the >US. > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > >> >> > From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >> > that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >> > defect) If Dana knew there was a defect in the steel, why did they use it, surely they bear the responsibility for using a known faulty product? -- Clive
From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 08:35 Clive wrote: > > In message <yrudnQlQs6lIy-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim > <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes > > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the > >matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has > >managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the > >US. > > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > > > > >> > >> > From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings > >> > that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the > >> > defect) > If Dana knew there was a defect in the steel, why did they use it, > surely they bear the responsibility for using a known faulty product? Surely, you are ignorant of the facts. The material the part is made of is not steel and the announcement did not say the material used was defective. The defect is said to be due to a failure in the manufacturing process control. And Dana is the one who reported the defect to the NHTSA. -jim
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 10:22 On 02/14/2010 05:35 AM, jim wrote: > > > Clive wrote: >> >> In message<yrudnQlQs6lIy-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d(a)bright.net>, jim >> <sjedgingN0Sp(a)m.?.invalid> writes >>> Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the >>> matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has >>> managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the >>> US. >>> BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >>>>> that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >>>>> defect) >> If Dana knew there was a defect in the steel, why did they use it, >> surely they bear the responsibility for using a known faulty product? > > Surely, you are ignorant of the facts. > > The material the part is made of is not steel and the announcement did > not say the material used was defective. The defect is said to be due > to a failure in the manufacturing process control. And Dana is the one > who reported the defect to the NHTSA. > > -jim "said to be"??? in other words, you don't actually know but you're prepared to guess, despite the fact that you're clueless about the process or the component or the material. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 14 Feb 2010 10:23 On 02/13/2010 05:50 PM, jim wrote: > > > jim beam wrote: > >> >> nothing personal, but i don't believe this because the economics and the >> metallurgy simply don't support the logic. if you have proof they would >> do something so ridiculously inefficient and needlessly expensive [it >> makes no sense to ship ingot because it weighs so much and has so little >> value - shipping finished product is where the economics work] feel free >> to post it, but i'd want to see something definitive, not mere usenet >> gossip. there's nothing special about ductile iron that would >> necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting. > > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the > matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has > managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the > US. the material gets made in the u.s. too big guy. ductile iron is a cheap plentiful commodity - it's not worth shipping unless in finished form. > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal red herring. and it's "made by", not "comes from". unless he's got a special orifice with which you happen to be more familiar than most. > > >> >>> From the sounds of it Dana identified a particular batch of castings >>> that were bad (Dana said that less than 2% of the parts shipped had the >>> defect) >>> >>> -jim >> >> -- >> nomina rutrum rutrum -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim on 14 Feb 2010 12:00
jim beam wrote: > > On 02/13/2010 05:50 PM, jim wrote: > > > > > > jim beam wrote: > > > >> > >> nothing personal, but i don't believe this because the economics and the > >> metallurgy simply don't support the logic. if you have proof they would > >> do something so ridiculously inefficient and needlessly expensive [it > >> makes no sense to ship ingot because it weighs so much and has so little > >> value - shipping finished product is where the economics work] feel free > >> to post it, but i'd want to see something definitive, not mere usenet > >> gossip. there's nothing special about ductile iron that would > >> necessitate a proprietary japanese pour for a usa casting. > > > > Obviously, the Japanese car makers forgot to consult your advice on the > > matter. They may well prefer to ship the finished part, but congress has > > managed to make the economics work out that the part gets made in the > > US. > > the material gets made in the u.s. too big guy. Not the same material. Similar materials get made in the U.S. > Ductile iron is a cheap > plentiful commodity - it's not worth shipping unless in finished form. So how does it get to the foundry if no one is shipping it? Ductile iron is an alloy. The Japanese apparently would prefer to use the same alloy they use to make the same parts in Japan. And it costs money to ship the iron ore from Australia to Japan. That probably adds more to the cost than it does to ship the iron from Japan to US. > > > BTW, Most of the steel used in US autos comes from this guy: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal > > red herring. and it's "made by", not "comes from". unless he's got a > special orifice with which you happen to be more familiar than most. The point is that US manufacturing imports both iron and steel, whether you believe it or not. |