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From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 18:13 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > Jane Galt wrote: >> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : >> >>>> Just because many of the "scientists" were proven to be lying to get >>>> fat cat government funding, and we've had global cooling for 15 years >>>> now? >>> None of them were lying. They may have made mistakes in the way they >>> presented data, but they weren't lying. >> >> The email scandals prove you wrong. They made intentional changes to >> the data, to support liberal outcomes and their grant money of course. >> That's lying. > > Wrong. > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100330/ap_on_re_us/climate_hacked_e_mails > > Jeff That's where the religion part comes in. They havent "seen" it. They dont want to see it. It would embarrass those who spent trillions on the scam. -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 18:15 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > Mike Hunter wrote: >> What part of convoluted did you not understand? >> >> We are still waiting for any proof that shows man is the cause of >> climate change and that it is not just caused by the forces of nature, >> dummy. LOL > > You can't find any proof of anything. You can't prove gravity is real. > Rather, all you can do is find evidence that supports or doesn't support > the hypothesis. And if I could come up with a better explanation of how > things are attracted to each other than gravity and had the data to > support it, gravity would be disproved. Drop you off a 20 story building and that would prove it, fool. -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 18:16 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > That's how science works. And the evidence that climate change is real > is overwhelming. And the evidence that man is behind it is simple: The > chemistry and physics of CO2 and the amount of CO2 that people are > putting into the atmosphere when they use coal to make electricity, oil > to power cars and make cement (which releases significant amounts of CO2 > when it is hardening as part of the chemical reaction). > > You can find the evidence yourself on the internet if you have 1/2 a > brain. You can go and read the IPCC reports yourself and do a search and > learn for yourself at scholar.google.com. Standard marxist tactic of talking down to anyone who disagrees. They are the intelligentsia after all, and everyone else are the poor neanderthals who need government to tell us how to live. -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Bill Putney on 1 Apr 2010 18:17 Kevin wrote: > dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in > news:V9ydnTf25egPlinWnZ2dnUVZ_oIAAAAA(a)giganews.com: > >> Kevin wrote: >>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in >>> news:QZ6dnS6ioeeYsi7WnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: >>> >>>> Bill Putney wrote: >>>>> dr_jeff wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They regulate drugs, requiring that the meet certain purity and >>>>>> effectiveness standards. They regulate doctors, teachers and other >>>>>> professionals, requiring that they don't have a serious criminal >>>>>> history before they can go into the clinic or classroom. What a >>>>>> horror? What's next? Requiring that priests don't molest children? >>>>>> And what right does the federal government have to make sure that >>>>>> cars are safe? The nerve of the government. >>>>> Let's look at the other side of the coin: Where do you draw the >>>>> line of the government involvement in and micromanagement of our >>>>> personal lives? >>>>> It sounds to me like once we violate any of the Constitution in >>>>> that >>>>> regard, your philosophy is that that barrier is now broken, there >>>>> therefore now are no constraints, we throw the Constitution out. >>>> Incorrect. My philosophy is that the proper place of government >>>> (that is the people) is to set up regulations so that people are >>>> protected from unfair and unsafe practices (e.g., lending laws and >>>> health laws). >>>> >>>>> The problem is that when government has the extra-Constitutional >>>>> authority that it has taken on, it allows manipulation of >>>>> information to achieve political goals (hidden agendas). The >>>>> present day is full of examples in things such as "extinction of >>>>> polar bears" and "global warming". >>>> You seem to make the assumption that there are hidden agendas and >>>> that global warming is not real. Fact is that the evidence >>>> overwhelmingly shows that our unintentional manipulation of the CO2 >>>> concentration can have drastic changes in the environment and that >>>> last changes have already occurrred. >>>> >>>>> Once a problem is identified and linked to a cause using >>>>> false science, then anything that can in any way be associated >>>>> with that cause is subject to restriction and taxation, never mind >>>>> that the original premises that the controlled activity is linked >>>>> is based on false/manipulated science invented purely to accomplish >>>>> hidden goals. >>>> That's human nature. Look how we let Bush run over us with anything >>>> linked to 9/11 and security. >>>> >>>> However, as pointed out, it is not false science. It is false >>>> science to assume that we can dump CO2 into atmosphere and destroy >>>> our environment without consequences. >>>> >>>>> Health care is a problem? OK - private property is no longer a >>>>> valid concept - we'll confiscate what we need from those who have >>>>> it (redistribution of wealth), Marxism rules, the Constitution >>>>> drools. >>>> We already have a redistribution of wealth - from the poor to the >>>> rich. If you don't believe me, look at how the poor and middle class >>>> have barely got richer while the rich have become much richer over >>>> the last 20 or years. In addition, health care is a big reason why >>>> wages haven't gone up all that much. Companies pay so much for >>>> health care, they can't afford higher raises. Yet, no one has >>>> explained why health care should be paid for by employers. >>>> >>>>> The Constitution prohibits certain things precisely because those >>>>> things are subject to manipulation by despots (see Declaration of >>>>> Independence). Prohibiting things that otherwise may seem like the >>>>> "right thing to do" are protecting against a much worse "evil" (can >>>>> I say that word?). >>>>> >>>>> Basically what I'm saying is that we are way down on that slippery >>>>> slope and have no Constitution left by all the "logic" that is >>>>> being applied in our political system. >>>>> >>>>> Pick up and read a copy of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny". >>>> Right, I am going to waste my time reading anything because you >>>> recommend it. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> there is NO global warming. >> Bull. >> >>> It has been blasted to bits, all the >>> supposed research was rigged. >> Only in the minds of deniers. > > how much coolade can you drink?????? >>> There is no evadence to show any global >>> warmning at all. >> You mean like the ice that is melting at the poles, the warmer >> climates around the globe, melting ice on tops of mountains, and the >> earlier springs and later falls? > > That stuff is happening all the time, it changes around the globe > normally. Most all that stuff you mention is countered by a heaver than > normal event elsewhere, we just had the snowest and most days with snow > on the ground ever here since they have been keeping records. (also the > 3rd coldest) It doesn`t mean diddly. Hah! I bet you 6 months ago, he would have mentioned the glaciers melting in the Himalayas. Funny that he didn't. I wonder why - maybe because that was another fraudulent claim by "the scientists" that was turned on its head. Same with the fraudulent snow pack data on the Cascade mountains (they got caught cherry picking the data in the earlier years to catch the short term thicker readings followed by cherry picking the short term thinner readings in the later years to prove a "warming trend". Then they dismissed the guy who uncovered the "mistake" from his position as state of Washington Assistant State Climatologist. And of course we're supposed to accept that it was an honest mistake. Then there's NASA's GOES infrared satellite data that was going to prove once and for all gobal warming, and lo and behold, when the data was analyzed, it proved all the models that were being used to be totally wrong and the conclusions of all the previous measurements all wrong. Then there's when NASA copied the September 2008 temp. data into the October 2008 sheets and went public with a big alert for how quickly temperatures were starting to climb!! And of course that was supposedly an "honest mistake" - though I have trouble figuring out how you plug numbers for 30 days into a 31 day month without realizing that something didn't fit. Then there's the temp. measuring station where the measurements went up drastically for a few months, and the global alert went out. But - oh wait - it was discovered that some air conditioning units had been relocated a couple of months earlier with their condenser air blowing in the direction of the measuring station. Funny how the discovered errors *always* push the data towards the warming trend. How peculiar. What are the odds! -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: dr_jeff on 1 Apr 2010 18:31
Jane Galt wrote: > dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > > >> That's how science works. And the evidence that climate change is real >> is overwhelming. And the evidence that man is behind it is simple: The >> chemistry and physics of CO2 and the amount of CO2 that people are >> putting into the atmosphere when they use coal to make electricity, oil >> to power cars and make cement (which releases significant amounts of CO2 >> when it is hardening as part of the chemical reaction). >> >> You can find the evidence yourself on the internet if you have 1/2 a >> brain. You can go and read the IPCC reports yourself and do a search and >> learn for yourself at scholar.google.com. > > > Standard marxist tactic of talking down to anyone who disagrees. They are > the intelligentsia after all, and everyone else are the poor neanderthals > who need government to tell us how to live. And yours is the standard tactic of diversion. Nice try. |