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From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 00:54 =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote : > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:22:27 -0500, Jane Galt wrote: > >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote : >> >>> I suspect we will see a new "1984" book written called "2084," total >>> government control of the lives of all those still alive at the time. >> >> >> I think the plan is to dissolve the United States into global government >> LONG before that. ASAP is their goal. > > But what Global Government will that be? I'm guessing the marvelous U.N. <GAG> -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 00:57 dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > You seem to make the assumption that there are hidden agendas and that > global warming is not real. Ya THINK??? http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php Just because many of the "scientists" were proven to be lying to get fat cat government funding, and we've had global cooling for 15 years now? But if it's a religion to you, feel free to say so, then at least we wont expect reason along with your irrational belief system. -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Jane Galt on 1 Apr 2010 01:57 Conscience <nobama@g�v.com> wrote : > On 2010-03-31 21:57:27 -0700, Jane Galt <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> said: > >> But if it's a religion to you, feel free to say so, then at least we wont >> expect reason along with your irrational belief system. > > Pretty much sums it up. > > There are no real atheists. Everyone worships something. > > Ah but there are, however, real agnostics like myself. People who use reason and arrive at the understanding that there's no proof either way, of a supeme being, so the most rational thing is to withold judgement. Even atheists are making an irrational decision, being there's no proof either way. :) With "global warming", it's a complete scam though, being used by the extreme left to fulfill the Cloward & Piven strategy and collapse the U.S. into globalism. -- Jane Galt "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." -- Ayn Rand
From: Bill Putney on 1 Apr 2010 06:07 dr_jeff wrote: > Bill Putney wrote: >> dr_jeff wrote: >>> Bill Putney wrote: >>>> dr_jeff wrote: >>>> >>>>> They regulate drugs, requiring that the meet certain purity and >>>>> effectiveness standards. They regulate doctors, teachers and other >>>>> professionals, requiring that they don't have a serious criminal >>>>> history before they can go into the clinic or classroom. What a >>>>> horror? What's next? Requiring that priests don't molest children? >>>>> And what right does the federal government have to make sure that >>>>> cars are safe? The nerve of the government. >>>> >>>> Let's look at the other side of the coin: Where do you draw the line >>>> of the government involvement in and micromanagement of our personal >>>> lives? It sounds to me like once we violate any of the Constitution >>>> in that regard, your philosophy is that that barrier is now broken, >>>> there therefore now are no constraints, we throw the Constitution out. >>> >>> Incorrect. My philosophy is that the proper place of government (that >>> is the people) is to set up regulations so that people are protected >>> from unfair and unsafe practices (e.g., lending laws and health laws). >> >> Yeah - let's talk in 5 to 10 years if Obama's plans are implemented >> and see how that's working for everyone. Talk about unfair and unsafe >> - you ain't seen nothing yet. > > I've seen enough with millions of folks losing their homes, thanks to > the Republicans and Democrats who failed to regulate the housing and > mortgage industries properly. Not to mention those guys who made off > with billions of dollars from investors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs >>>> The problem is that when government has the extra-Constitutional >>>> authority that it has taken on, it allows manipulation of >>>> information to achieve political goals (hidden agendas). The >>>> present day is full of examples in things such as "extinction of >>>> polar bears" and "global warming". >>> >>> You seem to make the assumption that there are hidden agendas and >>> that global warming is not real... >> >> As does anyone with a brain in their head. Where have you been the >> last year? (It was obvious way before that, but the sold out people >> cannot not even deny it any longer.) > > You have yet to support that there is a hidden agenda in any meaningful > way. And you clearly have your mind made up about global warming. Mine > is open to new facts and evidence either way. > >>> Fact is that the evidence overwhelmingly... >> >> That the whole thing has been a hoax by the people at the top with a >> lot of people at various levels of involvement having been suckered in. > > Thanks for making my point. > However, I won't be continuing. You're not worth my time. Yet you continue. I had no expectation to change your thinking, however, your deficiencies in solid logic are pretty much open for inspection (i.e., continuing to believe and defend the global warming hoax). No use talking with someone who can't distinguish Marxism from U.S. Constitution. Obama (beginning with his NPR interview some years back) and others have implied and stated explicitly that their plans for healthcare and other things will be done in spite of the "fundamental flaws" (Obama's exact words in the NPR interview) in the Constitution, yet Obama took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. You insist that I answer your question about why business should pay for health insurance (actually they are not required to, so your facts are wrong there - but most do anyway - those awful bastards), yet you wouldn't answer why wealth should be forcibly transferred from people who earned it to those who haven't (IAW Marxism). That is the way that it is planned to pay for it. That's why 16,000 employees are being added to the IRS (the enforcers). (rest of more illogic snipped) -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: dr_jeff on 1 Apr 2010 07:07
Jane Galt wrote: > dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote : > > >> You seem to make the assumption that there are hidden agendas and that >> global warming is not real. > > Ya THINK??? > > http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php > > Just because many of the "scientists" were proven to be lying to get fat > cat government funding, and we've had global cooling for 15 years now? None of them were lying. They may have made mistakes in the way they presented data, but they weren't lying. > But if it's a religion to you, feel free to say so, then at least we wont > expect reason along with your irrational belief system. You need to look in the mirror when say that. The evidence that global warming is there. It is seen in the shorter winters and longer summers, the warmer temperatures at the poles, and the melting ice-caps on mountains. It is seen in the NASA data that show that the average temperature of globe is going up. The science that shows how global warming works is extremely solid, particularly how CO2 and other greenhouse gases absorb infrared light block heat from leaving the atmosphere. So you're so sure in your assessment of the situation that you ignore or explain data that contradicts your position. Jeff |