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From: C. E. White on 30 Mar 2010 10:57 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4bb0e030$0$1596$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > On 29/03/10 9:45 AM, C. E. White wrote: > >> Most of the Fords that people got rid of were older SUVs. Since >> during >> the 90's Ford Explorers were by far the selling SUV is it any >> surpirse >> that they were one of the leading vehicles that were traded in? Six >> of >> the top ten vehicles traded in were old 12 to 16 year old >> Explorers. >> Maybe that is a clue that Fords are pretty reliable. The most >> pruchased clunker replacement car was a Ford Focus..... > > Actually it was a Corolla. The Focus was 4th. > > "http://jalopnik.com/5346040/its-over-ten-most-traded+in-purchased-cash-for-clunkers-cars/gallery/" I guess this was a case of dueling references: * http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0908/gallery.clunker_top_10/index.html - Focus #1 * http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ariel-schwartz/sustainability/most-popular-cash-clunkers-vehicles - Focus #1 I should have paid more attention to the dates. Sorry for the confusion. The definitive refence matches yours. See http://www.dot.gov/affairs/2009/dot13309.htm . The following data is from that reference: Dealer Transactions Number Submitted: 690,114 Dollar Value: $2,877.9M Top 10 New Vehicles Purchased Toyota Corolla Honda Civic Toyota Camry Ford Focus FWD Hyundai Elantra Nissan Versa Toyota Prius Honda Accord Honda Fit Ford Escape FWD New Vehicles Manufacturers Toyota - 19.4% General Motors - 17.6% Ford - 14.4% Honda - 13.0% Nissan - 8.7% Hyundai - 7.2% Chrysler - 6.6% Kia - 4.3% Subaru - 2.5% Mazda - 2.4% Volkswagen - 2.0% Suzuki - 0.6% Mitsubishi - 0.5% MINI - 0.4% Smart - 0.2% Volvo - 0.1% All Other - <0.1% Top 10 Trade-in Vehicles Ford Explorer 4WD Ford F150 Pickup 2WD Jeep Grand Cherokee 4WD Ford Explorer 2WD Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan 2WD Jeep Cherokee 4WD Chevrolet Blazer 4WD Chevrolet C1500 Pickup 2WD Ford F150 Pickup 4WD Ford Windstar FWD Van Vehicles Purchased by Category Passenger Cars: 404,046 Category 1 Truck: 231,651 Category 2 Truck: 46,836 Category 3 Truck: 2,408 Vehicle Trade-in by Category Passenger Cars: 109,380 Category 1 Truck: 450,778 Category 2 Truck: 116,909 Category 3 Truck: 8,134 84% of trade-ins under the program are trucks, and 59% of new vehicles purchased are cars. The program worked far better than anyone anticipated at moving consumers out of old, dirty trucks and SUVs and into new more fuel-efficient cars. Average Fuel Economy New vehicles Mileage: 24.9 MPG Trade-in Mileage: 15.8 MPG Overall increase: 9.2 MPG, or a 58% improvement Cars purchased under the program are, on average, 19% above the average fuel economy of all new cars currently available, and 59% above the average fuel economy of cars that were traded in. This means the program raised the average fuel economy of the fleet, while getting the dirtiest and most polluting vehicles off the road.
From: C. E. White on 30 Mar 2010 10:59 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4bb0f897$0$19707$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > What makes you think a 1984 Explorer, that actually came to market > in July of 1983, is not a 25 year old model? Even if one only > drove 15,000 mileage it would have nearly 400,000 miles on the > odometer. Even a 1989 would have almost 325,000 miles. Mike, Explorer SUVs weren't introduced until 1990 for the 1991 Model Year. Ed > > > "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:hoqori$7f4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>> Ford makes the cars that people most wanted to get rid of. The >>>> fact that many of them went back to Ford and said 'thank you sir, >>>> may I have another', is a really sad commentary on American >>>> consumers. >>> >>> Most of the Fords that people got rid of were older SUVs. Since >>> during the 90's Ford Explorers were by far the selling SUV is it >>> any surpirse that they were one of the leading vehicles that were >>> traded in? Six of the top ten vehicles traded in were old 12 to 16 >>> year old Explorers. >> >> Yes...12 to 16 year old cars is a far cry from the claim that they >> were 25 year old cars. > >
From: C. E. White on 30 Mar 2010 11:01 "Bill Putney" <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote in message news:81cvj0F2g1U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Obveeus wrote: > >> ...Of course, if you wanted to get rid of an old Toyota you were >> likely out of luck since old Toyotas got such good gas mileage that >> you would have had to buy an electric/hybrid vehicle in order to >> see a 'clunkers' qualifying level of improvement. > > That whole thing was a scam. I looked up my '85 F150 on the web > site, and it didn't qualify because the fuel mileage figure on it > was 21 mpg. Anybody who has ever owned one of those knows that that > truck never would get above 13 mpg on its best day. How many other > vehicles were listed with stupidly wrong figures like that? (BTW - > I never would have traded it in - I looked it up out of curiosity - > plus I think the whole program was immoral.) I don't know about your 1985 F150, but my 1992 4.9L Automatic F150 would average over 18 in mostly highway driving. Around the farm the mileage dropped to the mid teens, but my overall average for the 14 years I owned it was well over 16 mpg. Ed
From: dr_jeff on 30 Mar 2010 11:03 Mike Hunter wrote: > Want more government regulations? You have not seen anything yet, wait > till the government totally takes over our health care in 2014. > > It has already begun! The Government that CURRENTLY regulates trans-fats > is trying to tax the "sugary" drinks that are killing our children. They regulate drugs, requiring that the meet certain purity and effectiveness standards. They regulate doctors, teachers and other professionals, requiring that they don't have a serious criminal history before they can go into the clinic or classroom. What a horror? What's next? Requiring that priests don't molest children? And what right does the federal government have to make sure that cars are safe? The nerve of the government. > Next will come smoking regulations. One local major employer announced > today they will test all new workers for nicotine, if you have it in your > system they will not give you a job because it will further increase their > health care costs under the new bill. That's a local employer taking its health-care costs in its own hands. Should we regulate that, too? > Three major US manufactures are telling us their health care cost will go up > by millions of dollars a year, which will lead to higher prices for their > products. What next will they not employ any new employees who are > overweight? The federal government will start controlling what we eat for > the same reasons. Can government control of the use of alcohol be far > behind? Well, if a business stops hiring fat people, isn't that the business's decision? Are you saying we should regulate businesses? What if it is one of those three major US manufacturers? That would help lower their health-care costs. That alcohol regulation would be good for you and stop your drunken rants. > Not only will the government be telling you what you can eat, wait to you > see what happens to your privilege to DRIVE when they start to restrict > driving, or what you can drive to reduce the number injured on killed on our > highways. Legally, I may not drive a tractor-trailer, school bus or motorcycle. You think this is a bad thing? > I suspect we will see a new "1984" book written called "2084," total > government control of the lives of all those still alive at the time. LOL Yeah, right. > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > >> There is a big difference between good regulation and stupidity. Banks >> encouraged to make loans that can't be repaid is stupidity. >> >> Jeff > >
From: C. E. White on 30 Mar 2010 11:05
"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4bb0f2d0$0$19678$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > Get real, the most traded vehicles were 1980 to 1987 Ford Explorers, > dummy Mike, at least go read the list of most traded in vehicles. None were 1980 to 1987 Explorers - which should be obvious since the Ford Explorer SUVs weren't intriduced until 1990 (for the 1991 Model Year). There were special models of full size pickups that were "Explorer" models but they aren't the SUVs and they aren't on the list. Ed |