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From: Mike Hunter on 23 Mar 2010 13:29 That's true, but the current law opens the door to single payer, BO has said so many times, because the new law will drive up health cars cost over the years. Do some research and you will discover that the number of doctors practicing countries with nation heath care, is continuing to decline and in England there is currently a seven to eight weeks wait just to see a Doctor unless your are bleeding, not breathing or have a broken bone, is that what you want in the US? Have you even wonder WHY so many of the Doctors in the US have a foreign accent? Have you ever talked to a Doctor that once served in the Military? If you do asked them if THEY want to ever work again for a government run heath care system. You obviously attend public schools in a major US city, based on the opinions you express in the NGs "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:IeOdnYmIdbGVfjrWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> When I had a heart problem 24 years ago I had heart bypass surgery the >> very next day. When one of my friends had and attack while hunting in >> Canada he was told he would be placed on a monitor and would be scheduled >> in five to seven weeks for surgery. He paid to be flown to the US and >> had bypass surgery the day he arrived. Which care would you prefer? > > Irrelevant. THere is nothing in the bill about single-payer insurance. > > BTW, which country has the higher life expectancy? How about lower infant > mortality costs? And lower costs per person? Hint, it is the one that > doesn't have 50 states. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:BMWdnWP029th1zrWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> SMS wrote: >>>> On 21/03/10 5:19 PM, dr_jeff wrote: >>>>> lil abner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <...> >>>>> >>>>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>>>> Aliens... >>>>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>>>> >>>>> Don't believe every you read. >>>> I don't think anyone was dumb enough to believe the Republican schtick >>>> about the "death panels," but you never know with all the people >>>> watching Faux news. >>> Actually, a lot of people were. They believe what they hear and read. >>> Even Mike Hunter fell for it. >>
From: Mike Hunter on 23 Mar 2010 13:35 Are you referring the cancer patient referred to by BO in his last pep rally? If you are he LIED, as was the case with every other instance he referred! The truth is she did not loose her home and she was provided FREE treatment unto she died of her incurable cancer. Do a search for the truth once and a while before you comment, WBMA. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:IeOdnYiIdbHofjrWnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > hls wrote: >> >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:5_adnYjbW8A6KjvWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> lil abner wrote: >>> >>> <...> >>> >>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>> Aliens... >>> >>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>> >>> >>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>> >>> Don't believe every you read. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >> >> It wasnt "made up" by anyone, but it was very badly interpreted by >> a lot of people. There was a call of end of life counseling. Taken to >> extremes, it was called a "death panel". >> >> Is there any precedent? Yes. The medical industry can, (has and will >> probably go further), a concept called "denial of services". If you >> dont >> have the insurance coverage, and if you dont have the cash in hand, you >> may be denied services which would have kept you alive. In contra to >> some of the heroics of the past, this will be "pay as you go, or go >> earlier" > > There's denial of service all the time. > > Already, people with health insurance are losing their homes and going > bankrupt because their health insurance doesn't allow for the care that is > needed. It is one of the biggest causes of bankruptcy for people who have > health insurance.
From: Vic Smith on 23 Mar 2010 13:45 On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:59:04 -0500, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >In article <cgufq5dabjin629qchvd3qveu1a6hl7fa7(a)4ax.com>, > Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:52:39 -0500, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <vgqfq5ppqfgg3levl4gop3b80p623ffdrq(a)4ax.com>, >> > Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:47:15 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On 22/03/10 1:05 PM, Vic Smith wrote: >> >> > >> >> ><snip> >> >> > >> >> >> Then decent working people won't have to listen you whining about how >> >> >> hard it is to pay your commie health care dues - despite all your >> >> >> riches. >> >> > >> >> >Oh geez, are there actually Tea-Partiers that now think that the Supreme >> >> >Court has any say in the Health Care bill? Do they know that gullible is >> >> >spelled with four Ls? >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Republicans have created a new grass roots organization. >> >> "Fans of Health Insurance Companies" >> >> >> >> Now I can understand being a "GM Fan" or a "Toyota Fan" if you like >> >> the car. >> >> Pretty hard to understand being a fan of a health insurance company. >> >> But then you have Trekkies too, so different strokes. >> >> >> >> --Vic >> > >> >How about a fan of big government and a fan of tax. >> >> >> Almost 30% of my wife's paycheck goes to the Aetna tax to keep us >> insured. >> Then they hassle her for multiple documents every year to prove I'm >> her husband. Then they try to deny claims. >> Soon they may make a death panel decision on me. >> Big brother taxer death panel health insurance. >> You go ahead and be Aetna's fan. >> Nobody's stopping you. >> >> --Vic > >You don't have to be insured. Why not quit. Federal taxes on the other >hand are mandatory. Or you go to jail. My federal taxes are much less than my health insurance tax. I don't go uninsured because there's a chance that an injury or illness means wealthy doctors, hospital executives, medical device executives, drug company executives, and Wall Street shareholders of the above will split up the proceeds from the sale of my house. That will add to their wealth in true capitalistic fashion. Unfortunately for me and my wife, we won't have a house anymore. It's not a fancy or big house, but we like it. So I prefer to add to the wealth of insurance companies and keep my house. It's all simple economics. Determine who can confiscate your wealth, then pay the vigorish to prevent it. There is something called "wealth redistribution." It's a fact of life. The only question for most people is how to look at it from moral and economic perspectives in deciding the direction of the wealth flow in terms of health care. Personally, I decided where I stood morally long ago, when I was "highly compensated." It's morally repulsive for me see people go without health care. Back in the HWBush admin a young diabetic deadbeat without insurance was in the news. I think he was 18 years old and it was in Tennessee. He'd stiffed the hospital more than once, and walked in once more, going into diabetic shock. The hospital gave him a shot of insulin, then the billing boss told a couple of orderlies to take him to a nearby park, because he didn't want to admit him and get stiffed again. The orderlies propped him under a tree in the park. It was a pretty leafy tree and a beautiful summer day. Later that day passersby found him sitting there, dead. That's when I decided I was willing to be taxed more to provide health care for all. But I wasn't taxed more. Instead, as is normal in America, the problem was ignored in order to keep taxes down so the folks could spend more and get in debt more buying all sorts of toys. Looks like that's over now. The sad part is most of the health care is going to the boomers, and the younger people will pay for it. Medicare is a prime example. Those reaping its benefits are way ahead of what they paid in. And those are the same people who are most vociferous in being against health care for all. They got theirs, and they don't want a penny of it going to anybody else. Then there's all the political propaganda. The normal mess. In any case, I've saved enough to continue paying my health insurance vigorish, so I'll do fine. What I like most about the health care bill just signed is removal of caps, so a real health catastrophe can't bankrupt me. I won't lose my house even though I have insurance. A little peace of mind there. And that my wife is no longer locked into her job to keep us insured, though it's not clear to me yet how that will work out. What I see as a failure is not enough effort to rein in medical costs. The medical profession is expert at ripping off both Medicare and private insurance companies. That's the biggest reason for premium increases. 50 dollar aspirins. Billing for 50 one hundred buck IV bags when only one was used, unneeded procedures, etc, etc. Even the private insurance companies are victims of massive fraud. It's not just Medicare. The mafia has moved off the streets and into the hospitals and health care centers. --Vic
From: Mike Hunter on 23 Mar 2010 13:46 Get real! If you were really a MD, dr_jeff, you would know that is NOT so. You would know Medicare only pays part of the cost for a pair of classes after Eye Surgery and never pays for preventive dental care. Can't you understand what your read? I said my Medicare Advantage Insurance PREMIUM went from $8 to $18, not Medicare Part "B," dummy. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:IeOdnYuIdbGqeTrWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> What in the world makes you think my B.C. Medicare Advantage Plan, that >> gives me MORE coverage than Medicare for less money than Medicare, is >> screwing me? My monthly premium was free for six years then went to $8 >> for five years, now it is $18 and will mostly likely go up as the federal >> plan is implemented. >> >> Medicare only pays 80%. My M.A.P pays 100% and offers me things like an >> exercise program, dental care and eye glasses, which are not covered by >> Medicare, except after Eye surgery > > Medicaid offers eye care and dental care, too. > > In addition, the cost of Medicare is more than just $18 a month. A lot > more. $18 a month is what you pay out of your pocket. But it costs > everyone (that is the gov't) a lot more than that. > > JEff
From: dr_jeff on 23 Mar 2010 16:43
Mike Hunter wrote: > You are wrong again, my Health Insurance provider Keystone Senior Blue, > allows me to visit ANY Doctor or Specialist I choose that accepts Medicare > reimbursements. > > If anyone requires major surgery as a result of the Emergency Room diagnoses > it is provided, whether they are insured or not. That's the law, ask you > doctor for the truth, WBMA. Only if it is an emergency. The only way a colonscopy would be provided is if the condition is such that it can't wait. > A local "Doctors Hospital" and all of its doctor partners, that opened in > 1999, has never accepted Medicare reimbursement, because they did not want > to subject to the provisions of the Hill-Burton act. > > You might note that some pharmacies are no longer accepting Medicare > reimbursements because of the new law. Walgreens is the latest one to > announce. So what? > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:IeOdnY6IdbE3fzrWnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Countries that currently have nation healthcare already decide whom will >>> get certain medical procedures, what make you believe the US government >>> will be and different. >> That has nothing to do with the fact that death panels were not mentioned >> in the bills. Republicans brought them up to discredit the bill. >> >> Nonetheless, what makes you think the US is different than other >> countries? Insurance companies already decide what procedures they will >> pay for and whom their patients on a particular plan may see. And people >> without health coverage don't less care. And when they visit an emergency >> department, they don't get primary care. >> >> Unless there is unlimited coverage, people won't get unlimited care. >> >> Jeff >> >> >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:5_adnYjbW8A6KjvWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> lil abner wrote: >>>> >>>> <...> >>>> >>>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>>> Aliens... >>>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>>> >>>> >>>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>>> >>>> Don't believe every you read. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> <...> > |