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From: Ed Pawlowski on 22 Mar 2010 17:00 "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:BMWdnWP029th1zrWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > SMS wrote: >> On 21/03/10 5:19 PM, dr_jeff wrote: >>> lil abner wrote: >>> >>> <...> >>> >>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>> Aliens... >>> >>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>> >>> >>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>> >>> Don't believe every you read. >> >> I don't think anyone was dumb enough to believe the Republican schtick >> about the "death panels," but you never know with all the people watching >> Faux news. > > Actually, a lot of people were. They believe what they hear and read. Even > Mike Hunter fell for it. I put my application in to be on one. I'm starting with newsgroup posters. Plenty to choose there.
From: clare on 22 Mar 2010 17:00 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:04:30 -0400, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >According to TV news, it appears Nancy Pelosi has bribed enough of the Dims >to vote for a healthcare bill that will tax everyone to pay for nation >healthcare. The Medicaid provisions in that bill will also cause you state >taxes to go up as well because the state must pay half of Medicaid. > >FDR said, This day will live in infamy," after the Japs attacked Pearl >Harbor. Like December 7,1941 and September 11, 2001, March 21 2010 will >also live in infamy as the most devastating attack on America. > >In 1941 and 2001 we were attacked by our enemies. Today were will be >attacked by the worst possible enemy a county can have, the enemy within. >We spent billions to fight our foreign enemies, but we will fight the enemy >within with the strongest weapon in our arsenal, the ballot. > >In 1941 I left school early to fight in WWII. I will be 84 on March 22nd. >Years ago when I sold my fleet service business I set up trust funds for all >of my grand children and great grand children. Since then I have been >endowing Hospitals and Colleges with my wealth. > >From now on I will us my considerable wealth to help see the Supreme Court >declare this law Un-Constitutional before I die. I intend to donate >$500,000 to the Sate of Florida to aid the AG in the court fight he and 29 >mother states will bring the day after BO signs it into law. > >In addition I will contribute to ANY candidate that runs in the Primary, >including next months, against any of the Dims that voted to destroy the >best Healthcare system in the world. I will also contribute to the general >election campaign of ANY candidate, if the Dim that voted for that laws wins >his primary > >I suggest all Americans, that love this country, do whatever they can to see >that none of the Dims that voted for that law are even elected to any >elected position again. > O for crying out loud you crybabies. This thread is GONE!!!
From: dr_jeff on 22 Mar 2010 17:35 Mike Hunter wrote: > Countries that currently have nation healthcare already decide whom will get > certain medical procedures, what make you believe the US government will be > and different. That has nothing to do with the fact that death panels were not mentioned in the bills. Republicans brought them up to discredit the bill. Nonetheless, what makes you think the US is different than other countries? Insurance companies already decide what procedures they will pay for and whom their patients on a particular plan may see. And people without health coverage don't less care. And when they visit an emergency department, they don't get primary care. Unless there is unlimited coverage, people won't get unlimited care. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:5_adnYjbW8A6KjvWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> lil abner wrote: >> >> <...> >> >>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an additional >>> several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal Aliens... >> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >> >> >> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >> >> Don't believe every you read. >> >> Jeff >> >> <...> > >
From: dr_jeff on 22 Mar 2010 17:37 Mike Hunter wrote: > When I had a heart problem 24 years ago I had heart bypass surgery the very > next day. When one of my friends had and attack while hunting in Canada he > was told he would be placed on a monitor and would be scheduled in five to > seven weeks for surgery. He paid to be flown to the US and had bypass > surgery the day he arrived. Which care would you prefer? Irrelevant. THere is nothing in the bill about single-payer insurance. BTW, which country has the higher life expectancy? How about lower infant mortality costs? And lower costs per person? Hint, it is the one that doesn't have 50 states. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:BMWdnWP029th1zrWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> SMS wrote: >>> On 21/03/10 5:19 PM, dr_jeff wrote: >>>> lil abner wrote: >>>> >>>> <...> >>>> >>>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>>> Aliens... >>>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>>> >>>> >>>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>>> >>>> Don't believe every you read. >>> I don't think anyone was dumb enough to believe the Republican schtick >>> about the "death panels," but you never know with all the people watching >>> Faux news. >> Actually, a lot of people were. They believe what they hear and read. Even >> Mike Hunter fell for it. > >
From: dr_jeff on 22 Mar 2010 17:38
hls wrote: > > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:5_adnYjbW8A6KjvWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> lil abner wrote: >> >> <...> >> >>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>> Aliens... >> >> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >> >> >> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >> >> Don't believe every you read. >> >> Jeff >> > > It wasnt "made up" by anyone, but it was very badly interpreted by > a lot of people. There was a call of end of life counseling. Taken to > extremes, it was called a "death panel". > > Is there any precedent? Yes. The medical industry can, (has and will > probably go further), a concept called "denial of services". If you dont > have the insurance coverage, and if you dont have the cash in hand, you > may be denied services which would have kept you alive. In contra to > some of the heroics of the past, this will be "pay as you go, or go > earlier" There's denial of service all the time. Already, people with health insurance are losing their homes and going bankrupt because their health insurance doesn't allow for the care that is needed. It is one of the biggest causes of bankruptcy for people who have health insurance. |