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From: dr_jeff on 23 Mar 2010 16:46 Mike Hunter wrote: > That's true, but the current law opens the door to single payer, BO has said > so many times, because the new law will drive up health cars cost over the > years. No, the law won't drive up the cost of health care. > Do some research and you will discover that the number of doctors practicing > countries with nation heath care, is continuing to decline and in England > there is currently a seven to eight weeks wait just to see a Doctor unless > your are bleeding, not breathing or have a broken bone, is that what you > want in the US? Where do they live longer (life expetency)? England. WHere is there lower infant mortality? England. How about lower costs? England. > Have you even wonder WHY so many of the Doctors in the US > have a foreign accent? Because people want a better life. > Have you ever talked to a Doctor that once served > in the Military? Many. > If you do asked them if THEY want to ever work again for > a government run heath care system. Many like working there. My cousin stayed in for over 20 years practicing in the military. > You obviously attend public schools in a major US city, based on the > opinions you express in the NGs Please explain how you came to this conclusion, particularly which statements. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:IeOdnYmIdbGVfjrWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> When I had a heart problem 24 years ago I had heart bypass surgery the >>> very next day. When one of my friends had and attack while hunting in >>> Canada he was told he would be placed on a monitor and would be scheduled >>> in five to seven weeks for surgery. He paid to be flown to the US and >>> had bypass surgery the day he arrived. Which care would you prefer? >> Irrelevant. THere is nothing in the bill about single-payer insurance. >> >> BTW, which country has the higher life expectancy? How about lower infant >> mortality costs? And lower costs per person? Hint, it is the one that >> doesn't have 50 states. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:BMWdnWP029th1zrWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> SMS wrote: >>>>> On 21/03/10 5:19 PM, dr_jeff wrote: >>>>>> lil abner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <...> >>>>>> >>>>>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>>>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>>>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>>>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>>>>> Aliens... >>>>>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't believe every you read. >>>>> I don't think anyone was dumb enough to believe the Republican schtick >>>>> about the "death panels," but you never know with all the people >>>>> watching Faux news. >>>> Actually, a lot of people were. They believe what they hear and read. >>>> Even Mike Hunter fell for it. >
From: dr_jeff on 23 Mar 2010 16:46 Mike Hunter wrote: > Are you referring the cancer patient referred to by BO in his last pep > rally? If you are he LIED, as was the case with every other instance he > referred! The truth is she did not loose her home and she was provided > FREE treatment unto she died of her incurable cancer. Do a search for the > truth once and a while before you comment, WBMA. No, I am not referring to that particlular patient. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:IeOdnYiIdbHofjrWnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> hls wrote: >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:5_adnYjbW8A6KjvWnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> lil abner wrote: >>>> >>>> <...> >>>> >>>>> higher taxes..mandated force participation or fines and jail...16,500 >>>>> more IRS Agents....Death Panels and mandatory end of life counciling >>>>> every 5 years....cut Medicare coverage....make everyone pay an >>>>> additional several thousand dollars a year....coverage for Illegal >>>>> Aliens... >>>> Death panels? When were this ever on the table? >>>> >>>> >>>> This idea was made up by the Republicans. >>>> >>>> Don't believe every you read. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>> It wasnt "made up" by anyone, but it was very badly interpreted by >>> a lot of people. There was a call of end of life counseling. Taken to >>> extremes, it was called a "death panel". >>> >>> Is there any precedent? Yes. The medical industry can, (has and will >>> probably go further), a concept called "denial of services". If you >>> dont >>> have the insurance coverage, and if you dont have the cash in hand, you >>> may be denied services which would have kept you alive. In contra to >>> some of the heroics of the past, this will be "pay as you go, or go >>> earlier" >> There's denial of service all the time. >> >> Already, people with health insurance are losing their homes and going >> bankrupt because their health insurance doesn't allow for the care that is >> needed. It is one of the biggest causes of bankruptcy for people who have >> health insurance. > >
From: dr_jeff on 23 Mar 2010 16:48 Mike Hunter wrote: > Get real! If you were really a MD, dr_jeff, you would know that is NOT so. So you're suggesting that your healthcare company only gets $18 a month from all sources? > You would know Medicare only pays part of the cost for a pair of classes > after Eye Surgery and never pays for preventive dental care. Actually, my father gets preventive dental care from Medicare. > Can't you > understand what your read? I said my Medicare Advantage Insurance PREMIUM > went from $8 to $18, not Medicare Part "B," dummy. Please, I know what you mean. You don't need to remind us you are dummy. Or do name-calling like a 3 year old. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:IeOdnYuIdbGqeTrWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> What in the world makes you think my B.C. Medicare Advantage Plan, that >>> gives me MORE coverage than Medicare for less money than Medicare, is >>> screwing me? My monthly premium was free for six years then went to $8 >>> for five years, now it is $18 and will mostly likely go up as the federal >>> plan is implemented. >>> >>> Medicare only pays 80%. My M.A.P pays 100% and offers me things like an >>> exercise program, dental care and eye glasses, which are not covered by >>> Medicare, except after Eye surgery >> Medicaid offers eye care and dental care, too. >> >> In addition, the cost of Medicare is more than just $18 a month. A lot >> more. $18 a month is what you pay out of your pocket. But it costs >> everyone (that is the gov't) a lot more than that. >> >> JEff > >
From: Bill Putney on 23 Mar 2010 17:23 Mike Hunter wrote: > ...You might note that some pharmacies are no longer accepting Medicare > reimbursements because of the new law. Walgreens is the latest one to > announce. Actually I think it's Medicaid. But to the ignorant news media, they are one and the same and facts don't matter, so you hear it reported as Medicare as often as you do Medicaid. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: dr_jeff on 23 Mar 2010 17:27
Bill Putney wrote: > Mike Hunter wrote: > >> ...You might note that some pharmacies are no longer accepting >> Medicare reimbursements because of the new law. Walgreens is the >> latest one to announce. > > Actually I think it's Medicaid. But to the ignorant news media, they > are one and the same and facts don't matter, so you hear it reported as > Medicare as often as you do Medicaid. Good point. More accurately, there are over 50 Medicaid programs. Each state has a different one. Walgreens is not accepting new patients in Washinton state. Patients already using Walgreens will be able to continue to use Walgreens, as well as patients in other states. The reason Walgreens gave is that the state reimburses less than the cost of the drugs for 95% of the drugs. In other words, 19 out of 20 times, they lose money selling Medicaid drugs to patients. Jeff |