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From: Steve W. on 11 Oct 2007 17:26 news wrote: > Mark A wrote: >> "news" <rollingviolation(a)domain.invalid.com> wrote in message >> news:vxgPi.10148$1y4.2341(a)pd7urf2no... >>> I prefer to now use a pair of disposable gloves. Less mess, less >>> used oil goodies under my fingernails. The oil's not THAT hot, >>> you're not soaking in it, you're just removing the filler plug. >>> >>> The funny thing is the reason why I started wearing disposable gloves >>> when working on cars... kids. When my first kid started teething two >>> years ago and wanted to chew on my knuckle... it couldn't be if I >>> just came in from the garage, and even then... blech... >>> >>> Kids do the weirdest things to you... >>> >>> Ray >> >> From the NIH (National Institute of Health): >> >> "Warning: continuous contact with used motor oil has caused skin >> cancer in laboratory animal tests. Avoid prolonged contact. Wash skin >> with soap and water. Launder or discard soiled clothing." >> > > Yup. Seen the warnings for a while. Even though I'm just a diy-er, I > really didn't think about this stuff until I had kids. Now, I do > because I'd like to live long enough to see my kids grow up. > > (But I'm still going racing.) > > Ray The problem with this and many other warnings of this type are these words "continuous contact" with "whatever product" has caused skin cancer in laboratory animal tests. That basically means they shave the rat. Put a product soaked cotton ball on the spot and tape it there. Then they replace it with a new one every few hours or just shoot some more of the product onto the cotton. Not a realistic test of what really happens. I doubt there is anyone out there taking baths in used oil. or soaking their clothes in it and wearing them while dripping oil. How about this warning. Continuous inhalation of H2O has been shown to cause death in humans in actual life. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York NRA Member Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he'd have become a vegan.
From: Tegger on 11 Oct 2007 17:33 "Steve W." <yahoo(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:fem4d6$jof$1(a)aioe.org: > > The problem with this and many other warnings of this type are these > words "continuous contact" with "whatever product" has caused skin > cancer in laboratory animal tests. > > That basically means they shave the rat. Put a product soaked cotton > ball on the spot and tape it there. Then they replace it with a new > one every few hours or just shoot some more of the product onto the > cotton. Not a realistic test of what really happens. I doubt there is > anyone out there taking baths in used oil. or soaking their clothes in > it and wearing them while dripping oil. The method used is called "maximum tolerated dose". Basically they up the dosage to a point just short of killing the animal, then they see if pathologies develop. This is how they test most substances, including everything the State of California "knows" causes cancer (which seems to be just about everything on Earth, judging by those ubiquitous Prop 65 placards...) The method is highly unrealistic for everyday life. > > How about this warning. Continuous inhalation of H2O has been shown > to cause death in humans in actual life. > > Yeah, maybe that dihydrogen oxide should be a controlled substance! -- Tegger
From: Ray O on 11 Oct 2007 22:37 "Tegger" <tegger(a)tegger.c0m> wrote in message news:Xns99C6B2A00580Btegger(a)207.14.116.130... > "Steve W." <yahoo(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:fem4d6$jof$1(a)aioe.org: > > >> >> The problem with this and many other warnings of this type are these >> words "continuous contact" with "whatever product" has caused skin >> cancer in laboratory animal tests. >> >> That basically means they shave the rat. Put a product soaked cotton >> ball on the spot and tape it there. Then they replace it with a new >> one every few hours or just shoot some more of the product onto the >> cotton. Not a realistic test of what really happens. I doubt there is >> anyone out there taking baths in used oil. or soaking their clothes in >> it and wearing them while dripping oil. > > > > The method used is called "maximum tolerated dose". Basically they up the > dosage to a point just short of killing the animal, then they see if > pathologies develop. > > This is how they test most substances, including everything the State of > California "knows" causes cancer (which seems to be just about everything > on Earth, judging by those ubiquitous Prop 65 placards...) > > The method is highly unrealistic for everyday life. > > > >> >> How about this warning. Continuous inhalation of H2O has been shown >> to cause death in humans in actual life. >> >> > > > Yeah, maybe that dihydrogen oxide should be a controlled substance! > > > -- > Tegger > There was a rumor that skateboarding caused cancer, but the scientists couldn't prove or disprove the rumor because the rats wouldn't stay on the skateboard long enough. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Ray O on 11 Oct 2007 22:30 "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1192120570.815008.53990(a)o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > Hls wrote: > <snipped> >> Some impact wrenches can put up a heck of a lot more than 100 lb-ft. >> I have seen some that can literally shear off a lug bolt. There are lots of automotive impact guns that put out over 500 foot-pounds. >> >> TorqStix dont always solve the problem either. I had two sets of >> front rotors warped at Discount Tire with their damn torque sticks. > Torque Stix usually work well, it's the user that do not always work well. If the front rotors were warped witth Torque Stix on the impact gun, the user either didn't read, couldn't comprehend, or ignored the directions that came with them. You have to release the trigger when the lug nut stops rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow the lug nuts to become over-tightened. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: hls on 12 Oct 2007 08:48
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:a-6dneUmcIhMQpPanZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > > "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1192120570.815008.53990(a)o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> >> Hls wrote: >> > <snipped> >>> Some impact wrenches can put up a heck of a lot more than 100 lb-ft. >>> I have seen some that can literally shear off a lug bolt. > > There are lots of automotive impact guns that put out over 500 > foot-pounds. > >>> >>> TorqStix dont always solve the problem either. I had two sets of >>> front rotors warped at Discount Tire with their damn torque sticks. >> > > Torque Stix usually work well, it's the user that do not always work well. > If the front rotors were warped witth Torque Stix on the impact gun, the > user either didn't read, couldn't comprehend, or ignored the directions > that came with them. You have to release the trigger when the lug nut > stops rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow the > lug nuts to become over-tightened. That could well be the problem, Ray. Tools, in the hands of those who dont know how to use them, or who refuse to use them as they were designed to be used, can be weapons. We have a local tire company which still puts on wheels with impact wrenches with no Torque Stix. They dont even have a torque wrench in the house. When I am forced to use them, I take my own torque wrench and insist that they use it. |