From: Ray O on 14 Oct 2007 14:37
"Scott in Florida" <JustAskl(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:10:03 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>"Scott in Florida" <JustAskl(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:32:00 -0500, Built_Well
>>> <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Ray O wrote:
>>>>> IMO, paying extra for lifetime wheel balance is a waste of money
>>>>> wheels rarely go out of balance once they have been balanced.
>>>>That's what I thought. I've thought for years that the need to balance
>>>>tires is rare, but then one of the techs at Walmart the other day was
>>>>telling me that I should have the tires balanced every other rotation,
>>>>because tires easily become unbalanced, like from dips into potholes and
>>>>I know I had my old Tercel's tires balanced at Ewers once, and they
>>>>were never the same again.
>>> I hate to disagree with Ray, but at least in the case of the wheels on
>>> my '92 Corolla, they DO go out of balance. Just a little is very
>>> irritating, especially on a light car like mine.
>>> Scott in Florida
>>I'll have to check out your car if I ever get down to Florida. As long as
>>the wheel-hub mating surfaces are clean, and the wheels are torqued
>>when they are installed, and the wheels do not lose weights, and the tires
>>wear evenly, they should not go out of balance. I apply a very thin coat
>>anti-seize where the wheel touches the hub to prevent corrosion so the
>>mates cleanly to the hub.
> You have to remember....they are 13 inchers...
> Scott in Florida
The smaller the wheel and tire combination, the easier they should be to
balance. A wheel with larger diameter and/or width that is out of balance
will transmit more vibration than a smaller wheel that is equally out of
balance. For example, lets' say that a 13 inch wheel moves in and out 1/16"
at 60 MPH. If the wheel had an 18 inch diameter, it would move in and out
more because of the longer distance from the center of the wheel. Of
course, the smaller diameter wheel would be rotating more quickly for a
given road speed, but all that means is that the vibration would be more
pronounced at a lower road speed than with the larger wheel.
(correct punctuation to reply)
From: Built_Well on 14 Oct 2007 14:51
> Mark A wrote:
>> Have you done your "first ever" oil change yet?
>> I can't wait to hear how much preparation you do for your
>> first time getting laid.
> Mark A., you're quite a good guy. I like you.
> I've been with 17 different women this year. Last year
> I was with only 3 women the entire year. But when I turned
> 40 this year, I kinda went crazy.
I've never been with that many different ladies in
one year before, but, like I said, I kinda went
crazy in Year 40.
From: clifto on 14 Oct 2007 14:49
Scott in Florida wrote:
> I personally don't do business with Target.
> They kicked out the bell ringers at Christmas time a few years ago.
> Any enterprise that has no use for the Salvation Army gets none of my
I don't think you and I are the only ones. The Target stores within easy
distance from my house are almost always sparsely populated.
One phrase that explains 99% of all idiot driving:
"You can't block traffic if you're not in the way."
From: Scott in Florida on 14 Oct 2007 16:28
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:49:45 -0500, clifto <clifto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>> I personally don't do business with Target.
>> They kicked out the bell ringers at Christmas time a few years ago.
>> Any enterprise that has no use for the Salvation Army gets none of my
>I don't think you and I are the only ones. The Target stores within easy
>distance from my house are almost always sparsely populated.
It is too bad, really. I like Target...but damend if I will give them
one red cent till they relent on the Salvation Army.
Scott in Florida
From: hls on 14 Oct 2007 21:40
"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> That's what I thought. I've thought for years that the need to balance
> tires is rare, but then one of the techs at Walmart the other day was
> telling me that I should have the tires balanced every other rotation,
> because tires easily become unbalanced, like from dips into potholes and
> other reasons.
There are more than one modality involved with vibrational issues with
If you hit a pothole and damage a tire, you may induce vibration because
you have changed the rotational symmetry of the tire. (What used to be round
is now eggshaped)
You will probably never be able to apply weights and help this sort of
even though it be able to bring the tire/wheel into static or dynamic