From: larry moe 'n curly on


Conscience wrote:
>
> If you consider those who voted for the Squatter-in-Chief in D.C., it's
> not difficult to see how something like this might escape the typical
> left-wing, tree-hugging, liberal dipshit who thinks he/she is saving
> the environment by buying a hybrid. Driving skills are obviously
> non-existent among that shallow end of the gene pool, much like
> simultaneously walking and chewing gum.

So which states have the smartest, most skilled drivers, and which
have the dumbest, worst drivers?

www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/departments/nrd-30/ncsa/STSI/USA%20WEB
%20REPORT.HTM

Traffic death rates per 100 million miles, year 2008:


Alabama 1.63
Alaska 1.27
Arkansas 1.81
Arizona 1.52
California 1.05
Colorado 1.15
Connecticut 0.83
Delaware 1.35
D.C. 0.94
Florida 1.50
Georgia 1.37
Hawaii 1.04
Idaho 1.52
Illinois 0.98
Indiana 1.15
Iowa 1.34
Kansas 1.30
Kentucky 1.74
Louisiana 2.02
Maine 1.06
Maryland 1.07
Massachusetts 0.67
Michigan 0.96
Minnesota 0.79
Mississippi 1.79
Missouri 1.41
Montana 2.12
Nebraska 1.09
Nevada 1.56
New Hampshire 1.07
New Jersey 0.80
New Mexico 1.39
New York 0.92
North Carolina 1.41
North Dakota 1.33
Ohio 1.10
Oklahoma 1.54
Oregon 1.24
Pennsylvania 1.36
Rhode Island 0.79
South Carolina 1.85
South Dakota 1.32
Tennessee 1.49
Texas 1.44
Utah 1.06
Vermont 1.00
Virginia 1.00
Washington 0.94
West Virginia 1.83
Wisconsin 1.05
Wyoming 1.68




From: Ed Pawlowski on


"Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote
>
> Second issue is there is always neutral. They teach that in drivers ed
> when I took it. Once in nuetral...problem is purely due care in pulling
> over and turning it off.

The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
Driver: NO

He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
should have his license revoked.

From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"Ed Pawlowski" <esp(a)snetnospam.net> wrote in message
news:TamdnUkN3-D0lQrWnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>
>
> "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote
>>
>> Second issue is there is always neutral. They teach that in drivers ed
>> when I took it. Once in nuetral...problem is purely due care in pulling
>> over and turning it off.
>
> The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call:
> Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral?
> Driver: NO
>
> He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He
> should have his license revoked.


This is America, where we allow people to drive even if they're legally
blind or clinically dead.


From: jr92 on
On Mar 9, 3:39 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> e"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b96a406$0$2645$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net...
>
> > The press always takes notice when people are killed, especially 54 of
> > them. When water leaks into the trunk, not so much
>
> 30,000+ people died in car accidents last year.  Feel free to post a
> breakdown by car manufacturer if you think Toyota is killing people.
> Otherwise, your focus on these particular 54 vs. the hundreds/thousands of
> others that died due to steering problems, airbag failures, poor crash
> protection, inability to operate the vehicle, blind spots, etc... seems a
> bit agenda based.

There are a lot of drivers and passengers killed every year in
automobile accidents. That is very sad. Drunk drivers kill a lot of
people. Road conidtions are factors in fatal accidents, Excessive
speed causes wrecks that kill people. Weather is a factor, as well.

However, none of the above reasons I stated can be attributed to
Toyota's lack of concern of safety.

Any of the above reasons I listed, Toyota could NOT have any control
over.


BUT, the 54 people who died due to Toyota's lack of safety concerns
can be pinned right on Toyota, the "King of Quality"!


These guys have major issues to deal with.
From: jr92 on
On Mar 9, 8:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> "Canuck57" <Canuc...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:wjCln.23038$wr5.20912(a)newsfe22.iad...
>
> > Third, there is the ignition.  Turn it off long enough for it to stop and
> > then to run (but not start) and coast.  Works even without brakes!
>
> Might not be possible to set it back to run position with a pushbutton
> ignition. Know what I mean? But, you and I can only offer conjecture unless
> we've used a Prius or read the manual.
>
> > So ask, why did it take this incopentat driver so long to do some basic
> > steps?
>
> Because our system of testing drivers does not weed out the incompetent
> ones, who comprise almost 90% of drivers on the road.

Are you saying that it is alright for auto manufacturers to produce
dangerous vehicles because the driver should be able to overcome
anthing that fails, weather if be faulty steering, sudden
acceleration, or bad brakes, if the driver is paying
attention???????????????????

Are you tying to say that the driver, who paid tens of thousands of
dollars for a vechicle he should reasonably assume will steer WHERE
he wants it to go, accelerate WHEN he wants to (and NOT accererate
when he does NOT WANT IT TOO), and stop WHEN he wants it to, should
reasonably expect all these things?????


Myself, I think if a person only paid 25 grand for a car, and it
suddenly accelerated out of control or would not stop when the brakes
were applied, it would HAVE to be the fault of the driver. After all,
you only get what you pay for!!!!!!!!!!!


OTOH, I really think that:



One should not HAVE TO BE READY TO PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN NUTREAL IN
CASE THE CAR SUDDENLY ACCELERATES OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The car should not do so in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While a customer should not have to expect a car to rattle, or have a
bad 'fit an finish" (lingo for the likes of Consumer Reports rap on
the alleged "bad GM quality"), the same customer should expect his
Toyota to STOP when he wants it to!!!!