From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:38:55 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:06:56 -0500, in the land of alt.aratzio, pandora
> <pandora(a)peak.org> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:06 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:35:10 -0400, in the land of alt.aratzio,
>>> Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> got double secret probation for
>>> writing:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:38:47 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Q_yRn.30820$yx.25938(a)newsfe13.iad...
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:25:34 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:48 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ah wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2010 10:51 AM, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:7eVQn.76345$HG1.11538(a)newsfe21.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:10:25 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:zvTQn.57409$h57.40776(a)newsfe22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:44:54 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:08:24 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is so nice when the facts are ALWAYS on my side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can save 8 billion a year just by reducing and closing
>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A sizeable chunk of change to be sure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're talking a President who wastes $80B a year. Big deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1006SDTFreport.pdf Reduce
>>>>>>>>>>> troops in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe and Asia, cut end strength by 50,000 $80 b.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the last president you thought was terrific?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Who is the last president you thought was terrific? Type
>>>>>>>>>>> the name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James Earl Carter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heathen! Apostate!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He told the people what they *needed* to hear, not what they
>>>>>>>> wanted to hear. People will do any number of things to delude
>>>>>>>> themselves and Reagan offered up a nostalgic veiw of a once
>>>>>>>> prosperous Uhmurikuh and the sheeple went for it. The fact that he
>>>>>>>> couldnt deliver on it was less important than his ability to play
>>>>>>>> to their beliefs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed you are correct, sir. The reality of the times was far
>>>>>>> different than what Reagan tried to convince us it was. I always
>>>>>>> thought of him as the wizard in Oz, all smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See answer above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Reagan was your favorite president, even though he fed you (and the
>>>>> country) bland cream of wheat diluted with way too much water.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I did quite well during the 80's. A lot of factors, but Reagan freeing
>>>>up business to do business had a lot to do with it.
>>>
>>> So you are in accord with California republicans.
>>>
>>> Of which 25% are so completely insane they voted for Orly Taitz.
>>>
>>> Yep, some party you got there.
>>
>>It seems that he, like so many of their ilk, are only interested in
>>making money.
>
> Well, it is more the keeping poor people fom being anything other than
> poor. That way they have someone to look down upon.


How about more like giving people a chance to not be poor?
All on their own. There are plenty of programs available to help people
better themselves; education, training, daycare, etc.

People like YOU like to keep the poor, poor.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:09:43 -0500, pandora wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:56:16 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:06:56 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:21:06 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:35:10 -0400, in the land of alt.aratzio,
>>>> Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> got double secret probation for
>>>> writing:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:38:47 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q_yRn.30820$yx.25938(a)newsfe13.iad...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:25:34 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:48 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ah wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2010 10:51 AM, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7eVQn.76345$HG1.11538(a)newsfe21.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:10:25 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:zvTQn.57409$h57.40776(a)newsfe22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:44:54 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:08:24 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is so nice when the facts are ALWAYS on my side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can save 8 billion a year just by reducing and closing
>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A sizeable chunk of change to be sure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're talking a President who wastes $80B a year. Big deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1006SDTFreport.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reduce
>>>>>>>>>>>> troops in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe and Asia, cut end strength by 50,000 $80 b.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the last president you thought was terrific?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Who is the last president you thought was terrific? Type
>>>>>>>>>>>> the name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James Earl Carter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heathen! Apostate!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He told the people what they *needed* to hear, not what they
>>>>>>>>> wanted to hear. People will do any number of things to delude
>>>>>>>>> themselves and Reagan offered up a nostalgic veiw of a once
>>>>>>>>> prosperous Uhmurikuh and the sheeple went for it. The fact that
>>>>>>>>> he couldnt deliver on it was less important than his ability to
>>>>>>>>> play to their beliefs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed you are correct, sir. The reality of the times was far
>>>>>>>> different than what Reagan tried to convince us it was. I always
>>>>>>>> thought of him as the wizard in Oz, all smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See answer above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reagan was your favorite president, even though he fed you (and the
>>>>>> country) bland cream of wheat diluted with way too much water.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I did quite well during the 80's. A lot of factors, but Reagan freeing
>>>>>up business to do business had a lot to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> So you are in accord with California republicans.
>>>>
>>>> Of which 25% are so completely insane they voted for Orly Taitz.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, some party you got there.
>>>
>>> It seems that he, like so many of their ilk, are only interested in
>>> making money.
>>
>>
>> And the problem with that is....?
>>
>> I am for *anybody* making money. That's what's so great about
>> Capitalism.
>>
>> "reditributing wealth" brings everyone to the same level of poverty.
>> Unless you're a monied Democrat, of course.
>
> That's a very negative attitude but one I'm not surprised that you have.


How do you figure that's negative?!?!? <rolls eyes>!

Letting people pull themselves UP is negative?!?!

Putting people on Welfare and letting them STAY poor appears to be a more
negative attituded to me.

You two are certainly a pair that can beat a full house. Whew!

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:10 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:58:49 -0400, in the land of alt.aratzio, Hachiroku
> ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:03:30 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>>
>>> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:24:33 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:40:54 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2VzRn.14001$3y2.8187(a)newsfe11.iad...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:38:47 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:Q_yRn.30820$yx.25938(a)newsfe13.iad...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:25:34 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:55:48 -0600, §ñühw£f wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ah wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2010 10:51 AM, §ñühw£f wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:7eVQn.76345$HG1.11538(a)newsfe21.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:10:25 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:zvTQn.57409$h57.40776(a)newsfe22.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:44:54 -0500, pandora wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:08:24 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is so nice when the facts are ALWAYS on my side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can save 8 billion a year just by reducing and
>>>> closing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A sizeable chunk of change to be sure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're talking a President who wastes $80B a year. Big
>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1006SDTFreport.pdf
>>>> Reduce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troops in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe and Asia, cut end strength by 50,000 $80 b.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the last president you thought was terrific?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Who is the last president you thought was terrific?
>>>> Type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Earl Carter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heathen! Apostate!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He told the people what they *needed* to hear, not what they
>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> to hear. People will do any number of things to delude
>>>> themselves
>>>>>>>>>>> and Reagan offered up a nostalgic veiw of a once prosperous
>>>>>>>>>>> Uhmurikuh and the sheeple went for it. The fact that he
>>>> couldnt
>>>>>>>>>>> deliver on it was less important than his ability to play to
>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed you are correct, sir. The reality of the times was far
>>>>>>>>>> different than what Reagan tried to convince us it was. I
>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> thought of him as the wizard in Oz, all smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See answer above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reagan was your favorite president, even though he fed you (and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> country) bland cream of wheat diluted with way too much water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did quite well during the 80's. A lot of factors, but Reagan
>>>> freeing
>>>>>>> up business to do business had a lot to do with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do YOU think he "freed up business to do business"? You said
>>>> it, so
>>>>>> you should be able to support the comment with a one or two
>>>> sentence
>>>>>> explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with that!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really. I don't supply idiots with answers.
>>>>
>>> Translation: I havent got any credible CITES for my bumper-sticker
>>> based ideology.
>>>
>>> Its hard to defend a slogan, innit?
>>>
>>> ^_^
>>
>>
>>I don't have any 'cites' because it's kind of hard citing yourself. I
>>form my own opinions, mostly based upon what people themselves say. I
>>have satellite TV and satellite radio, and can hear people speking for
>>themselves. THen I form my own opinions.
>>
>>Sorry if I can't give you a link to Limbaugh or Beck.
>>
>>
> Which all explains why he does not have defensible positions. He lies.


Bullshit.

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:41:04 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:59:13 -0400, in the land of alt.aratzio, Hachiroku
> ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:35:46 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:WhBRn.77391$HG1.3580(a)newsfe21.iad...
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:40:37 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I know. It's sort of minor hobby, trying to get him to put things
>>>>>>> in his own words. I already know his response. "If you don't know,
>>>>>>> why should I explain it to you?" Translated, that means "I heard
>>>>>>> someone else say Reagan freed up business, but I have no clue what
>>>>>>> they meant."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you could think your way out of a wet sock, it's be different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> When someone asks you to back up your OPINION, it's YOUR job to think
>>>>> and speak. Maybe you should stop parroting things you heard from
>>>>> other sources, unless you're capable of explaining why you repeat
>>>>> these things.
>>>>
>>>> I have opinions. You don't have privy to them because your standard
>>>> answer is, "I didn't say that."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't state your opinions if you're afraid of people asking for more
>>> information about them. And you ARE afraid.
>>
>>
>>And you're as dumb as Aratzio...
>>
>>
> In Hachoo world having knowledge, opinions and the guts to stand up for
> your opinions is *dumb*.

BWAHAHAHA! You and JSB, 'knowledge' and 'guts'???

BWAHAHAHA!

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:11:28 -0500, pandora wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:59:13 -0400, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:35:46 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:WhBRn.77391$HG1.3580(a)newsfe21.iad...
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:40:37 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I know. It's sort of minor hobby, trying to get him to put things
>>>>>>> in his own words. I already know his response. "If you don't know,
>>>>>>> why should I explain it to you?" Translated, that means "I heard
>>>>>>> someone else say Reagan freed up business, but I have no clue what
>>>>>>> they meant."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you could think your way out of a wet sock, it's be different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> When someone asks you to back up your OPINION, it's YOUR job to think
>>>>> and speak. Maybe you should stop parroting things you heard from
>>>>> other sources, unless you're capable of explaining why you repeat
>>>>> these things.
>>>>
>>>> I have opinions. You don't have privy to them because your standard
>>>> answer is, "I didn't say that."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't state your opinions if you're afraid of people asking for more
>>> information about them. And you ARE afraid.
>>
>>
>> And you're as dumb as Aratzio...
>
> No, you're afraid.

BWAHAHAHA! Wrong, as usual.

My opinions don't fit the Politically Correct 'model', so they aren't
valid?

How awfully narrow-minded of you!