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From: IYM "S U N on 12 Feb 2010 07:20 jr92 wrote: > On Feb 11, 10:40 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:56:32 -0500, IYM wrote: >>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: >>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:08:38 -0500, clare wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:03:57 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:13:48 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>> That is largest number of different types of vehicles, as well as the >>>>>>> highest total number, ever recalled by ANY other vehicle manufacturer >>>>>>> in history according the AP story. >>>>>> Bullshit. Ford had a recall of 12M vehicles for exploding cruise >>>>>> controls. >>>>> You need to look at the total number of vehicles each company had on >>>>> the road at the time of the recalls, and the number involved. >>>>> The percentage of Toyotas on the road subject to recall, even with the >>>>> MASSIVE recalls currently under way, are significantly lower than the >>>>> percentage of either Ford or GM over the years. >>>> You're preaching to the chior. Over the years GM Ford and Chysler have >>>> recalled millions and millions of vehicles for even more serious issues >>>> than this; Ford even got away with issuing dashboard stickers for >>>> transmissions that could slip from Park to Reverse. >>> OMG! I remember that! But it wasn't that they would slip into >>> reverse...I had a '76 Ford Granada with a automatic tranny that when you >>> put it in park it occasionally wouldn't engage fully in the tranny, but on >>> the column it was fine. The first time I discovered this, I had parked it >>> on a very slight incline, got out of the car and started to walk away and >>> then I heard "tick-tick-tick-tick..." getting progressively faster and >>> looked to see the car rolling away! Had to run after it, unlock it while >>> moving and jump in to hit the brake...Glad there was nothing around! lol >>> Thier fix at the time was to issue a letter that said that this might >>> happen and you should use the parking brake to prevent it from >>> happening... lmao! NO car companies would not get away with that now, but >>> Ford is a much different and better company now than in the 70's....and >>> you have to remember too - Recalls were a "growing" evolution of car >>> manufacturers and Gov'ts during that time. Back in the 60's 50's, 40's - >>> There were no recalls...Things that happened on cars were considered >>> "quirks" and owners were much more involved in the maintenance and fix of >>> the cars than they are today's consumers, who demand 100% perfection all >>> the time - no mistakes. So to say that "they got away with..." when you >>> are referencing anything before, oh say around 1980 is kind of unfair. >>> In fact, wasn't it the whole Ford Pinto gas tank thing in the 70's that >>> really got the Gov't involved and the whole ball rolling on recalls and >>> manufacturer's responsibility? >> All true. What galls me is the people attacking TOyota and overlooking >> some of these magnificent recalls from American companies, like recalls >> are something new.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Recalls are by far nothing new. I remember when the likes of USA Today > would front-page ANY recall GM or Ford had, no matter how insignicant > it would be as far as safety or reliability was concerned. > > The big thing is the total number of recalls the Toyotas are having > today. It's totally in the tens of millions over the past few years, > and like a snowball rolling downhill, growing on an almost daily > basis. You can whitewash it any way you want, they have major issues > to deal with. > > And, unlike the tire pressure monitor, or dome light malfunction, or > heaven forbid, the leaking gasket recalls GM had in the 80's and 90's, > Toyota has REAL safety and relibility issues. > > Sludging engines. > > Rusting suspensions. > > Throttles sticking wide open. > > > Braking issues. > > > If you feel that Toyota is being unfairly attacked, then you know > exactly how I feel about the way GM has been attacked for the past > 25-30 years. > > > Now, just compare the things on which the GM and Toyota were attacked. Hey - just want to let everyone know that Toyota has gotten into manufacturing keyboards and I picked one up today. Little pricey but the quality seems okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk damn.....never mind... :)
From: Mike Hunter on 12 Feb 2010 10:51 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) "Clive" <Clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
From: Mike Hunter on 12 Feb 2010 10:51 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:4B747DAE.4050601(a)msu.edu... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> (Cross posting deleted, automatically) >>
From: Mike Hunter on 12 Feb 2010 10:52 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:gpc9n5lkj45c6n0sfn84467rafmlqsfk5p(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:44:01 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
From: Mike Hunter on 12 Feb 2010 10:52
(Cross postings deleted, automatically) "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:hl2i8k$auu$5(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:51:29 -0500, clare wrote: > >> And just when, for the information |