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From: ByTor on 24 Nov 2009 10:16 In article <XxSOm.37651$We2.20473(a)newsfe09.iad>, newstrash(a)frontiernet.net says... > > "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message > news:00c5070c$0$6707$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > In article <foqng5ph5eplj7spb8el7j6gncvac9cntm(a)4ax.com>, > > MoveOn(a)outa.here says... > >> > > But, while I like the fact that she keeps them off balance I'm sort of > > putting her in the same category as Obama, *popular* but yet seriously > > *inexperienced*. I honestly don't think I would be comfortable with her > > in a high position of power. Yes she got a raw deal during the campaigns > > & I feel totally treated with disrespect far more than I have ever seen > > any other candidate treated but her *victim* routine is not enough for > > me to ever consider her for a high position of power. She has three > > things in common with Obama; Inexperienced, popularity, and she would > > have the goal at being the *first* woman president as Obama is the first > > black president. All three are NOT qualifications to be president. > > > > Bottom line, unless she *TOTALLY* suprises me with some sort of newfound > > brilliance (I'm not saying she's stupid) I would not vote for her. > > > I spoke last week with an 88 year old neighbor who went on one of those > honor flights to Washington ( http://www.honorflight.org/ ). McCain met > briefly with his group. The neighbor said McCain seemed pretty frail. After > a pause, he said it was pretty scary to think of who his running mate was. > He said he was a Republican, he'd voted the party line for years, but if the > party propped her to run in the next election, it would be the last time he > voted Republican. Basically though I am putting both Obama & Palin in the same category so I won't take sides on the Palin bashing, Obama squeaked by, more on the fact that people were fed up with Bush & the republicans, I think his vote was more of an *EMOTIONAL* one just as Palin's vote *now* would be an *EMOTIONAL* one & to *stick* it to Democrats........So it's business as usual & a vote for her would be the same motivations as the vote for Obama. I'd agree that McCain hosed himself with picking Palin but in all fairness the spread of votes really weren't that far apart so I guess that other almost 1/2 of the country didn't feel as hesitant. McCain had one *HUGE* advantage in the *emotional* vote, he was a war hero & people do respect that and put it in high regard, especially the tortures he endured, but in my view I did not allow that to *cloud* my judgement of him. Calling him frail & some of the other demeaning things they have said about him I think disrespects him & I would refuse to fall along that line of thinking.........I mean look what they did to Bob Dole, I found that dispicable & uncalled for.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 24 Nov 2009 10:32 "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message news:0087ca61$0$26886$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > In article <XxSOm.37651$We2.20473(a)newsfe09.iad>, > newstrash(a)frontiernet.net says... >> >> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message >> news:00c5070c$0$6707$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> > In article <foqng5ph5eplj7spb8el7j6gncvac9cntm(a)4ax.com>, >> > MoveOn(a)outa.here says... >> >> >> > But, while I like the fact that she keeps them off balance I'm sort of >> > putting her in the same category as Obama, *popular* but yet seriously >> > *inexperienced*. I honestly don't think I would be comfortable with her >> > in a high position of power. Yes she got a raw deal during the >> > campaigns >> > & I feel totally treated with disrespect far more than I have ever seen >> > any other candidate treated but her *victim* routine is not enough for >> > me to ever consider her for a high position of power. She has three >> > things in common with Obama; Inexperienced, popularity, and she would >> > have the goal at being the *first* woman president as Obama is the >> > first >> > black president. All three are NOT qualifications to be president. >> > >> > Bottom line, unless she *TOTALLY* suprises me with some sort of >> > newfound >> > brilliance (I'm not saying she's stupid) I would not vote for her. >> >> >> I spoke last week with an 88 year old neighbor who went on one of those >> honor flights to Washington ( http://www.honorflight.org/ ). McCain met >> briefly with his group. The neighbor said McCain seemed pretty frail. >> After >> a pause, he said it was pretty scary to think of who his running mate >> was. >> He said he was a Republican, he'd voted the party line for years, but if >> the >> party propped her to run in the next election, it would be the last time >> he >> voted Republican. > > Basically though I am putting both Obama & Palin in the same category so > I won't take sides on the Palin bashing, Obama squeaked by, more on the > fact that people were fed up with Bush & the republicans, I think his > vote was more of an *EMOTIONAL* one just as Palin's vote *now* would be > an *EMOTIONAL* one & to *stick* it to Democrats........So it's business > as usual & a vote for her would be the same motivations as the vote for > Obama. > > I'd agree that McCain hosed himself with picking Palin but in all > fairness the spread of votes really weren't that far apart so I guess > that other almost 1/2 of the country didn't feel as hesitant. McCain had > one *HUGE* advantage in the *emotional* vote, he was a war hero & people > do respect that and put it in high regard, especially the tortures he > endured, but in my view I did not allow that to *cloud* my judgement of > him. Calling him frail & some of the other demeaning things they have > said about him I think disrespects him & I would refuse to fall along > that line of thinking.........I mean look what they did to Bob Dole, I > found that dispicable & uncalled for. This country has missed out on having quite a few highly qualified people in the White House. That's just the way it is. Lee Iacocca said the best executives would never take the job because they could never put up with the long, drawn out process involved with getting things done. He's probably right. And the best people in government are probably too boring. Can you imagine Daniel Patrick Moynihan's state of the union address? The guy was brilliant, but he'd be a snooze for most listeners.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 24 Nov 2009 12:02 "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message news:0087e57b$0$23687$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> > As I always say, motivation is about *self* preservation for these >> > politicians......it's a shame really & I have no furthur energy to >> > argue >> > against it anymore.......very disappointing indeed. >> >> >> Remember when Mario Cuomo briefly made some noise about running for >> president and the idea got shot down by I-don't-know-who? What did you >> think >> of him as a possible candidate? > > Mario Cuomo I'm not sure about, I don't have much faith honestly with > Democrats these days to even consider what his *actual* motivations are. > I would have to know what his current positions are on things to even > consider an opinion. If he's just another candidate to push an *agenda* > machine of the us against them mentality than I would have serious > doubts, it would be just business as usual again.........But to be fair > I will also accuse the republican party of the same thing come 2012, I > hope not but I'm sure my suspicions will be correct, these politicians > are totally detached from the actual *will* of the people they > represent. It's all past tense anyway. He's stepped away from public life, other than the occasional commentary on news shows. What I liked about him is that he was able to talk about how his religion (Catholic) affected his views, while at the same time explaining that it was the responsibility of politicians to make decisions according to what they felt their constituents wanted, even if it contradicts a politician's own beliefs. Unfortunately, he used too many big words for most people, so his message never gained much traction with certain "types".
From: ByTor on 24 Nov 2009 12:07 In article <JkUOm.37672$We2.18825(a)newsfe09.iad>, newstrash(a)frontiernet.net says... > > "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message > news:0087e57b$0$23687$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >> > As I always say, motivation is about *self* preservation for these > >> > politicians......it's a shame really & I have no furthur energy to > >> > argue > >> > against it anymore.......very disappointing indeed. > >> > >> > >> Remember when Mario Cuomo briefly made some noise about running for > >> president and the idea got shot down by I-don't-know-who? What did you > >> think > >> of him as a possible candidate? > > > > Mario Cuomo I'm not sure about, I don't have much faith honestly with > > Democrats these days to even consider what his *actual* motivations are. > > I would have to know what his current positions are on things to even > > consider an opinion. If he's just another candidate to push an *agenda* > > machine of the us against them mentality than I would have serious > > doubts, it would be just business as usual again.........But to be fair > > I will also accuse the republican party of the same thing come 2012, I > > hope not but I'm sure my suspicions will be correct, these politicians > > are totally detached from the actual *will* of the people they > > represent. > > > It's all past tense anyway. He's stepped away from public life, other than > the occasional commentary on news shows. What I liked about him is that he > was able to talk about how his religion (Catholic) affected his views, while > at the same time explaining that it was the responsibility of politicians to > make decisions according to what they felt their constituents wanted, even > if it contradicts a politician's own beliefs. If that's the case than I would listen to him. I was young during his career and obviously not very interested as I was doing my own things so forming a *quick* opinion would be irresponsible on my part. I did briefly go to wikpedia and did see a mention about his views based on his religion & his opposition to the death penalty. But it is past tense as you say, people change over the years so who knows. His son Andrew on the otherhand, I'm still pissed about his internet bullshit that he pulled but that's another issue.......;0) > Unfortunately, he used too many big words for most people, so his message > never gained much traction with certain "types". Not sure what ya mean by *certain* types, or maybe I do, but I refuse to go there no matter how much ya try & drag me into it.....(LMAO)
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 24 Nov 2009 12:39
"ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message news:0084a1cf$0$1493$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > In article <JkUOm.37672$We2.18825(a)newsfe09.iad>, > newstrash(a)frontiernet.net says... >> >> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message >> news:0087e57b$0$23687$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> >> > As I always say, motivation is about *self* preservation for these >> >> > politicians......it's a shame really & I have no furthur energy to >> >> > argue >> >> > against it anymore.......very disappointing indeed. >> >> >> >> >> >> Remember when Mario Cuomo briefly made some noise about running for >> >> president and the idea got shot down by I-don't-know-who? What did you >> >> think >> >> of him as a possible candidate? >> > >> > Mario Cuomo I'm not sure about, I don't have much faith honestly with >> > Democrats these days to even consider what his *actual* motivations >> > are. >> > I would have to know what his current positions are on things to even >> > consider an opinion. If he's just another candidate to push an *agenda* >> > machine of the us against them mentality than I would have serious >> > doubts, it would be just business as usual again.........But to be fair >> > I will also accuse the republican party of the same thing come 2012, I >> > hope not but I'm sure my suspicions will be correct, these politicians >> > are totally detached from the actual *will* of the people they >> > represent. >> >> >> It's all past tense anyway. He's stepped away from public life, other >> than >> the occasional commentary on news shows. What I liked about him is that >> he >> was able to talk about how his religion (Catholic) affected his views, >> while >> at the same time explaining that it was the responsibility of politicians >> to >> make decisions according to what they felt their constituents wanted, >> even >> if it contradicts a politician's own beliefs. > > If that's the case than I would listen to him. I was young during his > career and obviously not very interested as I was doing my own things so > forming a *quick* opinion would be irresponsible on my part. I did > briefly go to wikpedia and did see a mention about his views based on > his religion & his opposition to the death penalty. But it is past tense > as you say, people change over the years so who knows. His son Andrew on > the otherhand, I'm still pissed about his internet bullshit that he > pulled but that's another issue.......;0) > >> Unfortunately, he used too many big words for most people, so his message >> never gained much traction with certain "types". > > Not sure what ya mean by *certain* types, or maybe I do, but I refuse to > go there no matter how much ya try & drag me into it.....(LMAO) Here's the "type". I knew one would come along as soon as I mentioned Cuomo. :-) It's like catching sunfish. Stupid little fish. As a wise man in Baltimore told me.....Cuomo is twenty thousand zero's.... Scott in Florida |