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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 15:40
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:28:24 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>> I'm going to wait until the next nice day, pull the oil filter and put
>> on something like a Wix. Never had that problem with either OEM or Wix
>> filters, and Wix got high ratings from Consumer's Reports.
>
> But in the Consumer Reports test, Fram (and Lee Maxifilter - Champion) did
> even better and was not only top rated but also check rated, meaning they
> did significantly better than the rest.

Lee Maxifilter?!?!?!

How the hell old was this test?!?!?!

I used to use Lee Maxifilters in my Corollas. When I got the Hachiroku,
for it's first oil change I went to get a Lee...GONE! I actually found one
in a closet last year, but it doesn't fit anything I own. I must have
bought it ~1982 or so.

If you find a Lee, let me know!!! ;)

BTW, that same test, from 1984, also said if you had a Toyota, you were
getting the BEST filter made...



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 15:42
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:31:55 -0800, N8N wrote:

> On Nov 22, 9:39 pm, "Daniel Who Wants to Know"
> <danielthechs...(a)merrychristmasi.com> wrote:
>> Put a Wix 51515 on it and you won't have a problem again.
>>
>> Daniel
>> Bought a 95 Grand Caravan SE 3.3l with 223,000 miles on it for $800 and
>> immediatly changed to a 51515 and Mobil 1 5w30 non-EP. I have 10k miles
>> of my own on the van now and the engine is still going strong.
>
> That number sounds familiar... same filter as a 225 leaning tower of power
> maybe?
>
> nate


LOL! Nice description!


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 15:45
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:45:25 -0800, N8N wrote:

> On Nov 23, 12:34 pm, "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...(a)my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>> n...(a)wt.net wrote:
>> > It's a known problem on the orange Fram filters. The problem is the
>> > anti drainback valves don't work. How much it effects the engine will
>> > depend on the filter mounting and position.
>>
>> A Finnish magazine article from 1996 found no problems with any of the
>> drainback valves
>> tested, and Fram did not leak the most.  Also how come you can blow
>> into an orange Fram but not suck air from it?  Money saving hint: doing
>> that test in the store = free oil filter.   :)
>
> That's nice, but personal experience trumps a test any day. Time from
> cold start to oil pressure light going out on my old Dart, >5 sec. with a
> Fram filter. 1 sec. or less with a Wix filter. Guess which filter I've
> used ever since.
>
> nate


Wix got rated very highly from CR, but AutoZone doesn't sell them. The
CarQuest I used to work at (and got Wholesale from...) closed last
year...they were turning the key to Lock when I went to get some parts for
my Supra...there is another place that does have them. The Soob is due in
a few hundred more miles....time for a Real World test!


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 16:09
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:28:24 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> Who was it in the Subaru group that mentioned my low oil pressure might
>> be caused by my using Fram oil filters?
>>
>> There may be something to this.
>>
>> I picked up yet another 1992 Grand Something-or-other (in this case, a
>> Grand Caravan. The last two were V'gers...). It has 239,000 miles on it.
>> I got it on eBay for $150 and had to go 135 miles to pick it up. To make
>> a long story short, we had to cut and crimp one of the rear brake lines
>> to get the thing to move without emptying the brake cylinder, and the
>> plan was to drive it within 100 miles from home and call AAA..."It blew
>> a brake line!"
>>
>> Today I gave it a 'service', oil change, air filter and tranny juice and
>> filter. I used a Fram TG oil filter since if you bought a jug (5 qts) of
>> Valvoline oil you got the filter $2 off. Maybe it's just on the Subaru?
>>
>> NOPE! After I changed the oil and took it for a test, the oil pressure
>> guage had dropped a whole mark off halfway! I don't believe it!
>>
>> I'm going to wait until the next nice day, pull the oil filter and put
>> on something like a Wix. Never had that problem with either OEM or Wix
>> filters, and Wix got high ratings from Consumer's Reports.
>
> But in the Consumer Reports test, Fram (and Lee Maxifilter - Champion) did
> even better and was not only top rated but also check rated, meaning they
> did significantly better than the rest. They removed something like 88%
> of the test particles (I think they were 20 or 25 micron particles, but I
> don't remember if the test was single-pass or multi-pass), compared to 70%
> or 75% for AC. The worst filter removed 50%, and I think it was a depth
> filter.


I'm afraid Lee filters are long gone. The last reference I could find was
a magazine ad from 1986. The last one I bought was '84 or '85. I can't
understand how they could go out of business. I was buying them 2-3 at a
time!

I used them in my 74 Corolla, my 78 Corolla, my 80 Corolla. They were all
high mileage cars, due in some part to the oil filter?


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 23 Nov 2009 18:43
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:59:47 -0800, nm5k wrote:

>
>>         If you notice the millions of new cars using Fram filters
>> aren't the ones having problems. It is always the guys with the 30 year
>> old beaters who tell of their the bad experience with the Fram filters.
>
> But I suspect not for the reason you think. A lot of the problem is the
> position of the filter. And lots of older cars had the filter mounted
> where it drained easily. It's not due to the condition of the engine.
> Remember, I had this problem with a brand new rebuilt engine that ran
> great, and it never did it again after dumping the Fram
> filter. My engine was not a beater and the oil pump was brand new.


The filter on the Soob and the Caravan are positioned so that when you
remove them, they are full of oil. Yuck!

The Supra...often the filter is dry, even if you remove it shortly after
turning off the engine. Not really recommended, since for some reasone
Toyota has a penchant for placing them directly below the exhaust header...

Burns to prove it! ;p


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