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From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 10:34 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6eca6e$0$23009$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net: > > > Perhaps in the US, but you neglected to point out that Toyota world > wide total number of recalls for their "defects" is 5.4 MILLION, > involving over 20 deaths and an untold number of injuries. > I thought it was 8.1 million. And that "20 deaths" figure has not yet been investigated to determine whether or not these are normal "pedal misapplication" or pedal malfunction. So far, the US governemnt officially recognizes 5 deaths, 4 of them involving a single incident (San Diego cop). And that wasn't even Toyota's fault, but the fault of the cop and the dealer. That leaves 1 death, versus over 42,000 total traffic deaths each year in the US alone. One death is one death too many, but it's hardly an epidemic for which Toyota should be hung from the nearest tree. -- Tegger
From: Clive on 8 Feb 2010 10:48 In message <m3gum5dupa9ihbma5dpjen6bk6kitce5c4(a)4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> writes >2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. Despite the total recall of 8 Toyota models throughout Europe there have only be four accidents sighted and no deaths, and Europe is much denser in population that any part of America that I've ever been to. -- Clive
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 12:15 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hkpea5$bf8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >> >>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>> complexity of vehicles. >>> >> >> >> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >> >> 3 cover Toyota. >> >> 37 cover other automakers. > > This is a creative (Toyota-like) distrotion of the actual facts. > > I am not even sure where you are getting the number "40" for > "investigations going..." I read it in the paper the other day. That's what the reporter said. -- Tegger
From: Mike Hunter on 8 Feb 2010 12:22 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) Perhaps you should have said Ford tyrannies that were not properly placed in park by their owners, who also failed to set the PARKING brakes LOL "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.07.19.05.25.998408(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:06:12 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> On 02/07/2010 07:47 AM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote: >>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:30:47 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>> >>>> (Cross postings deleted, automatically) >>>> >>>> Get real! No manufacturer has ever had any government required >>>> recall(s) that total as many as are currently being recalled by Toyota. >>>> Certainly not nearly as many that involve this many deaths and untold >>>> numbers of injuries >>> >>> Really? This is the 5th largest recall of all time. >>> >>> Better google Ford Transmission Recall. THey got out of it by sending >>> you an orange sticker to put on your dash that said "WARNING! This Motor >>> Vehicle may go from Park to Reverse at anytime without warning. Do not >>> leave vehicle idling." >>> >> wow, nice post. best post links to your sources though. > > Why, you're absolutely correct: > > http://www.autosafety.org/ford-transmissions-failure-hold-park >
From: Ed White on 8 Feb 2010 15:12
On Feb 7, 9:30 am, jim beam <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > that's still chicken feed compared to others - frod killed hundreds with > their exploder, and they didn't even /do/ a recall. that's not counting > those from frod's ignition failures or throttle sticking problems. Go back and check the facts. While I am sure hundreds have been killed in Explorers (and Camrys and Tacomas and whatever), 4 door Explorers from the 90's actually had one of the best safety records among mid- sized SUVs. Toyota 4Runners from the 90's were far more dangerous than Explorers, but you never see them being trashed in the press. And yes, I know that current 4Runners are very safe, but so are current Explorers. I assume to are working from the standard Toyota playbook - a) deny the problem, b) misdirect investigations, c) blame the Customer, d) claim every other manufacturer is worse, e) when finally forced into a recall issue a press release saying how Toyota is really really good. Ed |