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From: Mike Hunter on 7 Feb 2010 12:17 (Cross postings deleted, automatically) Old news! That is just another of the YABUT excuses used to change the subject away from Toyota CURRENT 5.4 million world wide recall. "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.07.15.48.06.475349(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:30:11 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> On 02/07/2010 06:09 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: >>> (Cross postings deleted, automatically) >>> >>> Perhaps in the US, but you neglected to point out that Toyota world wide >>> total number of recalls for their "defects" is 5.4 MILLION, involving >>> over 20 deaths and an untold number of injuries. >> >> that's still chicken feed compared to others - frod killed hundreds with >> their exploder, and they didn't even /do/ a recall. that's not counting >> those from frod's ignition failures or throttle sticking problems. > > > Or millions of transmissions in the 70's and 80's that were 'fixed' by an > orange sticker on the dash. > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> "Tegger"<invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>>> SMS<scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >>>> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >>>> >>>>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>>>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>>>> complexity of vehicles. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >>>> >>>> 3 cover Toyota. >>>> >>>> 37 cover other automakers. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tegger >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >
From: Mike Hunter on 7 Feb 2010 12:19 Better do a bit more research if that is what you choose to believe. Suppliers build to the manufacturers spec. Old news! That is just another of the YABUT excuses used to change the subject away from Toyota CURRENT 5.4 million world wide recall. "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.07.15.49.21.619230(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:42:01 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > >> Ford was proven to not be at fault, dummy. > > TOYOTA has been proven to not be at fault! > It was CTS that made the accelerators in China. > > The recall does NOT apply to accelerators provided by DENSO. > > > >> >> >> "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:2PWdnZY6DsfpU_PWnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>> On 02/07/2010 06:09 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> (Cross postings deleted, automatically) >>>> >>>> Perhaps in the US, but you neglected to point out that Toyota world >>>> wide total number of recalls for their "defects" is 5.4 MILLION, >>>> involving over >>>> 20 deaths and an untold number of injuries. >>> >>> that's still chicken feed compared to others - frod killed hundreds with >>> their exploder, and they didn't even /do/ a recall. that's not counting >>> those from frod's ignition failures or throttle sticking problems. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Tegger"<invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >>>> news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>>>> SMS<scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >>>>> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >>>>> >>>>>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>>>>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>>>>> complexity of vehicles. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >>>>> >>>>> 3 cover Toyota. >>>>> >>>>> 37 cover other automakers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tegger >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >
From: Ed Maier on 7 Feb 2010 12:40 On 2/7/2010 11:17 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: > (Cross postings deleted, automatically) > > Old news! That is just another of the YABUT excuses used to change the > subject away from Toyota CURRENT 5.4 million world wide recall. Why did > you not just set the parking brake? LOL > > I did. Reread my original post. Ed Maier
From: Mike Hunter on 7 Feb 2010 12:55 If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not properly engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the actual cause. "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hkmtuu$8ul$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 2/7/2010 11:17 AM, Mike Hunter wrote: >> (Cross postings deleted, automatically) >> >> Old news! That is just another of the YABUT excuses used to change the >> subject away from Toyota CURRENT 5.4 million world wide recall. Why did >> you not just set the parking brake? LOL >> >> > > I did. Reread my original post. > > Ed Maier >
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Feb 2010 14:05
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:06:12 -0800, jim beam wrote: > On 02/07/2010 07:47 AM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:30:47 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >> >>> (Cross postings deleted, automatically) >>> >>> Get real! No manufacturer has ever had any government required >>> recall(s) that total as many as are currently being recalled by Toyota. >>> Certainly not nearly as many that involve this many deaths and untold >>> numbers of injuries >> >> Really? This is the 5th largest recall of all time. >> >> Better google Ford Transmission Recall. THey got out of it by sending >> you an orange sticker to put on your dash that said "WARNING! This Motor >> Vehicle may go from Park to Reverse at anytime without warning. Do not >> leave vehicle idling." >> >> Or some such BS. My roomate had a Country Squire Land Barge and that's >> what he got in the mail. We had a good laugh over it and he stuck it to >> the refrigerator. That was 1980 if I remember right. >> >> Ford petitioned the government saying it would be too expensive to fix >> the millions of transmissions that were on the road. >> By 1984: >> >> Despite findings by the agency that Ford "park-to-reverse" accidents had >> resulted in a total of at least 306 deaths, and that the death rate from >> the defect was higher in 1984 than in any other year in history except >> one (1980), NHTSA announced on July 12, 1985, that it would not reopen >> the case. >> >> >> SIX YEARS and the problem was NEVER fixed! Over 300 deaths from faulty >> tranmissions, and Ford got out of it with a sticker. > > wow, nice post. best post links to your sources though. Why, you're absolutely correct: http://www.autosafety.org/ford-transmissions-failure-hold-park |