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From: dr_jeff on 8 Feb 2010 19:29 Mike Hunter wrote: > Ford is the ONLY manufacturer today that INCLUDES the tires in their > warranty. Every other manufacturer sends you to the particular tire > manufacturer for tire warranty claims Not for my 2008 Ford Focus. From the tire warranty manual: "Pirelli Tire North America (PTNA), 100 Pirelli Drive, Rome, Georgia 30162-7000, warrants to the original purchaser (owner) of any passenger car and/or light truck sold in the United States and Canada on which Pirelli Passenger Car Radial or Light Truck Radial Tires with a complete D.O.T. identification number and branded Pirelli, are provided as original equipment, that the tires will be free from anomalies in workmanship and materials." BTW, notice that the warranty is to me, not to Ford. Jeff > "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:a919ef1b-344f-49c7-b0e1-1cad39d8dd65(a)k11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 8, 7:26 am, SMS <scharf.ste...(a)geemail.com> wrote: >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: > >> The difference is in how the companies responded to the recalls. Ford >> blamed Bridgestone. Toyota acknowledged that they were at fault. > > It was clearly defective tires that led to the problems (Explorers > with Goodyear tires did not have unusual tire problems). Remember Ford > recalled all the tires even when Bridgestone/Firestone tried to divert > the blame. I can agree that Ford made a mistake when they didn't > exercise enough control over their supplier (Bridgestone), but when > push came to shove, they did the right thing and recalled all the > tires even when Bridgestone wouldn't (they even recalled tires > installed on Rangers). If you check the IIHS statics for Explorers > from the 1990's you'll find that 4 door Explorers were among the > safest of all mid-sized SUVs (only the Grand Cherokee was safer). The > Toyota 4Runner from that era was one of the most dangerous mid-sized > SUVs, even without the tire problem (and by the way, some 4Runners had > exaclty the same size tires and same pressure recommendations as > Explorers - they just didn't use the bad Firestone tires). > > Ed > >
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 20:50 "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:QIKdnejs-_9JNe3WnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pu > rsuits/2010/INVMTY-012010-1234.pdf > > Given the state of journalism today, what you read in the paper is > about as credible as a Mike Hunter post. OK, so I was wrong. FORTY-TWO open investigations, not FORTY. I was off by two. And I limited myself to the term, "automakers", which may or may not have been what the article I read actually said. In actual fact the term should have been, "motor vehicle manufacturers". Except that you've actually made my point /stronger/ with your link. I originally said: 3 cover Toyota. 37 cover other automakers. According to your link, it should actually be: 3 cover Toyota. 39 cover other motor vehicle manufacturers. -- Tegger
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Feb 2010 21:01 On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:18:27 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Get real, your opinion that hundreds of people were killed by faulty Ford > transmissions is not true and your post is just another of the YABUT > excuses used to change the subject away from Toyota 5.4 million world wide > recall. My *OPINION* ?!?!?!?! Wow.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Feb 2010 21:03 On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:22:24 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Perhaps you should have said Ford tyrannies that were not properly placed > in park by their owners, who also failed to set the PARKING brakes <YAWN> Taking Joe's place, are we? Even Ford admitted the transmissions could jump out of park at any time. The 'recalled' the cars by issuing stickers. Wow. I think it was THE BIGGEST and the most dangerous recall of all time, and it was 'fixed' with a sticker for the dashboard.
From: Ashton Crusher on 9 Feb 2010 00:21
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:59:05 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:49:52 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:26:18 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:36:56 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:00:00 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:55:59 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not properly >>>>>> engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the actual cause. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>YABUT! >>>>> >>>>>How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions? They >>>>>talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall. >>>>> >>>>>However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were >>>>>killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the >>>>>transmissions, but issuing a sticker for the dash instead. >>>>> >>>>>You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I >>>>>don't think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota is >>>>>fixing the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. >>> >>>Kinda pales compared with over 300 deaths and thousands of injuries for a >>>transmission Ford didn't want to (and DIDN'T) fix... >>> >>> >>> >> Do you think that makes the 12 dead people feel any better? > >Not at all. But Toyota is fixing the problem. Wonder if they could have >gotten away with printing 2.3 million stickers... > > There's a big difference between cars that can't be controlled while you are driving them and cars that pop out of park. The Ford transmission problem was no more dangerous then all the cars that were produced for YEARS with automatic transmissions that didn't even have a PARK position but required you to put the emergency brake on. |