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From: Ray O on 16 Mar 2010 15:12 "Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:hnoc3u$8ar$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Nasty" <nasty(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b9f977a$0$4975$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> Obveeus wrote: >>> "Justbob30" <NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message >>> news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>>>> running? >>>> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has >>>> been known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. >>> >>> Won't the car shut off when you open the door? >> >> No. I have one. It WILL shift into neutral at any speed. It WILL turn off >> by pressing the power button without shifting to park. It WILL operate at >> or below the speed limit and can be operated without having a wreck so I >> don't have to make up stories about it "running away on its own". > > So if a person drive into their driveway, presses the brake until they > stop, then gets out of the car without shutting the car off (or pressing > park), what stops it from 'running away'? If what you say is true and it > is still on (and no one is pressing the brake anymore) what keep the car > from moving? Are you simply hoping the driveway is flat enough that the > car doesn't roll away or does it take a significant amount of gas pedal to > provide any forward momentem? > > I thought one of the safety features for the Prius was that getting out of > the car (opening the door or moving the wireless key away from the vehicle > at all) would shut it off. Is that only the 2010 model? > > >> IMHO almost all runaway cars are caused by a defect in the central >> processor of the driver. > > Agreed. Most of this issue is with old people (or other problem drivers). > Similiarly, it is silly to expect Prius drivers to know how to avoid an > accident even if the car (say the brake system) fails since drivers in > pretty much any type of car get into accidents (more often than not) when > such a system fails. In the Prius, as with any other vehicle, if you stop the vehicle, leave it in drive instead of neutral or park, and take your foot off of the brake, the vehicle will start to creep, whether or not the ICE is running. As far as getting out of the vehicle with the smart key in your pocket and the engine or drivetrain on, the car starts to beep because the smart key is not detected in the vehicle as a reminder to tell you to shut it off. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Nasty on 16 Mar 2010 15:23 Obveeus wrote: > "Nasty" <nasty(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b9f977a$0$4975$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> Obveeus wrote: >>> "Justbob30" <NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message >>> news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>>>> running? >>>> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has >>>> been known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. >>> Won't the car shut off when you open the door? >> No. I have one. It WILL shift into neutral at any speed. It WILL turn off >> by pressing the power button without shifting to park. It WILL operate at >> or below the speed limit and can be operated without having a wreck so I >> don't have to make up stories about it "running away on its own". > > So if a person drive into their driveway, presses the brake until they stop, > then gets out of the car without shutting the car off (or pressing park), > what stops it from 'running away'? If what you say is true and it is still > on (and no one is pressing the brake anymore) what keep the car from moving? > Are you simply hoping the driveway is flat enough that the car doesn't roll > away or does it take a significant amount of gas pedal to provide any > forward momentem? Nothing, just like getting out of any car. If you get out and the car is running and in drive it will go forward. > I thought one of the safety features for the Prius was that getting out of > the car (opening the door or moving the wireless key away from the vehicle > at all) would shut it off. Is that only the 2010 model? > Can't say. Ours will stay 'on' if you get out with the 'key' in your pocket once it's sensed the key and started. Haven't tried to drive away without the key though. I'll run a little test and report back on that. > > > >> IMHO almost all runaway cars are caused by a defect in the central >> processor of the driver. > > Agreed. Most of this issue is with old people (or other problem drivers). > Similiarly, it is silly to expect Prius drivers to know how to avoid an > accident even if the car (say the brake system) fails since drivers in > pretty much any type of car get into accidents (more often than not) when > such a system fails. > >
From: Nasty on 16 Mar 2010 15:27 JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Justbob30" <NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173(a)newsfe08.iad... >>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >>> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, >>>> dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank >>>>>> the >>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >>>>> that simple. >>>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly >>>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the >>>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one. >>>> >>>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the car >>>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift >>>> lever, move to neutral. >>>> >>>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages, >>>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >>>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. >>>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3 second >>>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to >>>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course, >>>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never bother >>>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it, >>>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they >>>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never >>>> bother to investigate how that power button works. >>> >>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>> running? >> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has been >> known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. The gas motor may not be running when stopped if the battery is charged but the car is still under battery power and if left on and in drive it will walk away from you > > > Then what's the purpose of having the OFF button? It seems odd that owners > would not become acquainted with it on day #1 of owning the car. To shut the system down. Just like turning the key to off.
From: Nasty on 16 Mar 2010 15:31 jim beam wrote: > On 03/16/2010 07:31 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> "Justbob30"<NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message >> news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom"<newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173(a)newsfe08.iad... >>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty"<elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >>>> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> In article<4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, >>>>> dbu''<nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver >>>>>>> yank >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >>>>>> >>>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >>>>>> that simple. >>>>> >>>>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly >>>>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the >>>>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one. >>>>> >>>>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the >>>>> car >>>>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift >>>>> lever, move to neutral. >>>>> >>>>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages, >>>>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >>>>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. >>>>> >>>>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3 >>>>> second >>>>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to >>>>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course, >>>>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never >>>>> bother >>>>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it, >>>>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they >>>>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never >>>>> bother to investigate how that power button works. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>>> running? >>> >>> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has >>> been >>> known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. >>>> >> >> >> Then what's the purpose of having the OFF button? It seems odd that >> owners >> would not become acquainted with it on day #1 of owning the car. >> >> > > drive a prius dude. prius drivers leave those things on all the time - > the vehicle makes no noise so it's real easy to forget. > That's a bit of an exaggeration of course but it /is/ easy to do. However, if the car is in drive, the instant you take your foot off the brake it will start moving forward and you will be quickly embarrassed and reminded of your lapse. If in park it will sit there and cycle from battery to gas until it runs out of gas and the battery is depleted.
From: Jim Yanik on 16 Mar 2010 17:15
Nasty <nasty(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b9fdab2$0$4871$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > Nothing, just like getting out of any car. If you get out and the car > is running and in drive it will go forward. So,on a level surface,if you have your foot OFF the "gas pedal" and brake, and "in gear",the Prius will creep forward? Why? No "gas pedal" input should mean "no go". after all,it's electric drive. If you're not moving,there should be no juice going to the electric motor. the "creep" in gas-powered cars is because the torque converter still transmits power to the tranny and wheels when the car is idling. electric cars don't need to "idle". -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |