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From: jim beam on 16 Mar 2010 10:29 On 03/16/2010 05:08 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:coOdnZrYStFZmQLWnZ2dnUVZ_o4AAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> On 03/15/2010 03:12 PM, Ed White wrote: >>> http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/1143 >>> >>> Here is the most interesting paragraph: >>> >>> "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was >>> being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some >>> 250 times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." >>> >>> So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate >>> abuse. Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the >>> throttle shutdown. >>> >>> Ed >> >> sorry ed - you may try to pass yourself off as "one of us", but >> you're failing. but failure is why you're on the astroturf circuit, >> not inside the beltway. > > Why would I want to be part of the "us" that you and Mike Hunter > belong to? > >> nomina rutrum rutrum > > I know you think that tag line says call a spade a spade...have you > actually checked it out? The lady that wrote the column you got it > from apparently didn't bother to actually verify that it is correct. > > I am not a latin scholar, but based on the online Latin dictionaries I > think what you are really saying is: > > nomina - this is a noun roughtly equivalent to "by name" It is a noun, > not a verb > rutrum is also a noun that roughly means a lesser shovel but I think > it is not commonly used > > So the english version of what your little tag line says is something > like > > by name little shovel little shovel > > Very impressive. > > I think what you really should say is > > dico - name /call; this is a verb > rutila - a spade, shovel; this is a noun > > dico rutila rutila > > I can't gaurantee that this is correct, but I think it is at least as > correct as your translation. > > Ed > > this is why you're on the astroturf circuit ed - you're too dumb for the real deal. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 16 Mar 2010 10:31 "Justbob30" <NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173(a)newsfe08.iad... >> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> In article <4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, >>> dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> > When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank >>>> > the >>>> > gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >>>> >>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >>>> that simple. >>> >>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly >>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the >>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one. >>> >>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the car >>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift >>> lever, move to neutral. >>> >>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages, >>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down. >>> >>> >>> >>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. >>> >>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3 second >>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to >>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course, >>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never bother >>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it, >>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they >>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never >>> bother to investigate how that power button works. >> >> >> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >> running? > > Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has been > known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. >> Then what's the purpose of having the OFF button? It seems odd that owners would not become acquainted with it on day #1 of owning the car.
From: jim beam on 16 Mar 2010 10:36 On 03/16/2010 07:31 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "Justbob30"<NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom"<newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:LFKnn.40001$_v6.22173(a)newsfe08.iad... >>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty"<elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >>> news:elmop-3343C8.07475616032010(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> In article<4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, >>>> dbu''<nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank >>>>>> the >>>>>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >>>>> >>>>> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >>>>> that simple. >>>> >>>> see, you're representative of the public at large. You can't possibly >>>> imagine that a Prius could behave like every other car in the >>>> world--even though you've never owned or driven one. >>>> >>>> The driver can indeed yank the shifter into neutral and/or turn the car >>>> off. Yanking into neutral is as easy as it is in a Buick--touch shift >>>> lever, move to neutral. >>>> >>>> And you know what happens? Yeah. No drama. Drive system disengages, >>>> gas engine stops running, car immediately starts slowing down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >>>>> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. >>>> >>>> If you're using the power button, they've programmed it with a 3 second >>>> delay. You'd know that if (a) you owned one, and (b) you bothered to >>>> read the owner's manual of your shiny new $25,000 toy. Of course, >>>> arrogant asses who claim they know everything about driving never bother >>>> even to open or keep track of their owner's manual, let alone read it, >>>> so they wouldn't know how their specific car operates. Even when they >>>> get in and see that there's no key like in their '67 Buick, they never >>>> bother to investigate how that power button works. >>> >>> >>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>> running? >> >> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has been >> known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. >>> > > > Then what's the purpose of having the OFF button? It seems odd that owners > would not become acquainted with it on day #1 of owning the car. > > drive a prius dude. prius drivers leave those things on all the time - the vehicle makes no noise so it's real easy to forget. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Nasty on 16 Mar 2010 10:36 Obveeus wrote: > "Justbob30" <NoThank(a)you.com> wrote in message > news:hno406$9el$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> So, when they arrive at their destination, they leave their Prius >>> running? >> Since the car doe NOT run when stopped (most of the time) yes it has been >> known to happen...again maybe if you had ever driven one. > > Won't the car shut off when you open the door? > > No. I have one. It WILL shift into neutral at any speed. It WILL turn off by pressing the power button without shifting to park. It WILL operate at or below the speed limit and can be operated without having a wreck so I don't have to make up stories about it "running away on its own". When stopped, at a red light for instance, the gasoline engine will shut down when the battery is above a pre-set level. When the battery level drops the gasoline engine will start automatically, run at idle speed, and recharge the battery. If the light is a long one and the battery draw is high this cycle may repeat. IMHO almost all runaway cars are caused by a defect in the central processor of the driver. The driver steps on the gas instead of the brake, panics, and presses the gas pedal even harder thinking they are pressing the brake pedal. Then again, I live in Florida, seems like we have a lot of runaway cars of all makes and models. Interestingly high percentage of Cadillacs and Lincolns with VERY senior citizens. Remember now, this is all just MHO.
From: Tegger on 16 Mar 2010 11:54
Nasty <nasty(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b9f977a$0$4975$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > > No. I have one. It WILL shift into neutral at any speed. It WILL turn > off by pressing the power button without shifting to park. It WILL > operate at or below the speed limit and can be operated without having > a wreck so I don't have to make up stories about it "running away on > its own". I've never driven a Prius. Under what exact conditions does the thing actually run under battery power alone? -- Tegger |