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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 15 Mar 2010 22:35 "J Antero" <abc(a)xyz.com> wrote in message news:yMidnYBHx7XARgPWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> In article <oIidnY2C-e_rTgPWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >> "J Antero" <abc(a)xyz.com> wrote: >> >>> "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:061d944b-4e9f-457d-a6f1-85810f707511(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>> > http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/11 >>> > 43 >>> > >>> > Here is the most interesting paragraph: >>> > >>> > "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was >>> > being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some >>> > 250 times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." >>> > >>> > So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate >>> > abuse. Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the >>> > throttle shutdown. >>> > >>> > Ed >>> > >>> >>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank >>> the >>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >> >> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >> that simple. There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. The shifting >> system is not a mechanical linkage I don't beleive. It is an electronic >> sensor such as that involving the throttle pedal. That said, it should >> have a fail safe system of shutting down and coming to a safe stop, OFF >> the freeway. Toyota innovations are getting ahead of operator >> understanding of these vehicles. > > What about conventional vehicles? When this "runaway" accelertor problem > happens, can't the driver yank the gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the > ignition off? Yes, although some shifters don't move in a straight line and may confuse a certain type of driver: The 90% who are incompetent.
From: jim beam on 16 Mar 2010 00:10 On 03/15/2010 03:12 PM, Ed White wrote: > http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/1143 > > Here is the most interesting paragraph: > > "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was > being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some > 250 times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." > > So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate > abuse. Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the > throttle shutdown. > > Ed sorry ed - you may try to pass yourself off as "one of us", but you're failing. but failure is why you're on the astroturf circuit, not inside the beltway. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Ray O on 16 Mar 2010 00:26 "J Antero" <abc(a)xyz.com> wrote in message news:yMidnYBHx7XARgPWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > news:4LednSrST467RAPWnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> In article <oIidnY2C-e_rTgPWnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, >> "J Antero" <abc(a)xyz.com> wrote: >> >>> "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:061d944b-4e9f-457d-a6f1-85810f707511(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>> > http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/11 >>> > 43 >>> > >>> > Here is the most interesting paragraph: >>> > >>> > "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was >>> > being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some >>> > 250 times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." >>> > >>> > So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate >>> > abuse. Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the >>> > throttle shutdown. >>> > >>> > Ed >>> > >>> >>> When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank >>> the >>> gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? >> >> The Prius is unlike any conventional car. I don't believe it's quite >> that simple. There is no conventional key, there might even be a delay >> in time for ignition off due to the electronics involved. The shifting >> system is not a mechanical linkage I don't beleive. It is an electronic >> sensor such as that involving the throttle pedal. That said, it should >> have a fail safe system of shutting down and coming to a safe stop, OFF >> the freeway. Toyota innovations are getting ahead of operator >> understanding of these vehicles. > > What about conventional vehicles? When this "runaway" accelertor problem > happens, can't the driver yank the gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the > ignition off? > In both the Prius and conventional vehicles, the driver can move the shifter and/or turn the ignition off. In the case of the current Prius (no pun intended), the shifter is more of a joy stick than a shifter, but "N" is clearly marked. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 16 Mar 2010 00:41 On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:39:56 -0600, J Antero wrote: > > "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:061d944b-4e9f-457d-a6f1-85810f707511(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/1143 >> >> Here is the most interesting paragraph: >> >> "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was >> being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some 250 >> times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." >> >> So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate abuse. >> Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the throttle >> shutdown. >> >> Ed >> >> > When this "runaway" accelertor problem happens, can't the driver yank the > gear shift to neutral, and/or turn the ignition off? You have to have a functioning brain to do that. Sikes was obviously not aware that they could read the data for the last minute or so...
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 16 Mar 2010 00:43
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:14:50 -0500, dbu'' wrote: > In article > <061d944b-4e9f-457d-a6f1-85810f707511(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > Ed White <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100315/OEM/100319941/1143 >> >> Here is the most interesting paragraph: >> >> "Toyota said an examination of Sikes' Prius showed that the car was >> being driven with the brakes lightly and repeatedly applied -- some 250 >> times over a 30-mile stretch of highway." >> >> So now we know why the brakes were worn and smoking....deliberate abuse. >> Toyota said it takes "moderate" pressure to activate the throttle >> shutdown. >> >> Ed > > If I had an out of control vehicle at 95 mph in my hands, I don't think > I'd have time to make a cell phone call. Depends on how much money you plan to sue for... |