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From: Mike Hunter on 1 Feb 2010 12:37 Duh! The content part of the contract refers parts and materials that must equal 70% American. Using American steel alone, rather then steel imported from Japan like is in most other Jap cars assembled in the US, adds a great deal to the content requirement. You are referring the NA parts content that is meaningless, even Camrys made in Japan carry a label that says it has NA parts. LOL "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:mr2dnZFi3o7DsvvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the UAW >> contract, did you not understand? > > I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect in > that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the parts > content have to come from the US. > > In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian > content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: > > <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> > >> You are partly correct, the remaining 30% were shipped in from far away, >> as in imported, like most of the parts in the other Toyotas assembled in >> the US. > > Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian > plants, not from overseas. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not >>>> want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>>> requirement in the UAW contract >>> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the parts >>> be made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that Toyota >>> didn't want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only 11% of the >>> parts where made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest had to be >>> shipped in from far away. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>>> >>>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't >>>>>> recall >>>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing >>>>>> over >>>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>>>>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>>> >>>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone >>>>> and >>>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. >>
From: dr_jeff on 1 Feb 2010 17:22 Mike Hunter wrote: > Duh! The content part of the contract refers parts and materials that must > equal 70% American. Then why is NUMMI breaking the contract, making cars with 61% and 65% American content? > Using American steel alone, rather then steel imported > from Japan like is in most other Jap cars assembled in the US, adds a great > deal to the content requirement. > > You are referring the NA parts content that is meaningless, even Camrys made > in Japan carry a label that says it has NA parts. LOL Yet, I am talking about the models made only in the NUMMI plant. Again, you fail to demonstrate that that contract exists. jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:mr2dnZFi3o7DsvvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the UAW >>> contract, did you not understand? >> I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect in >> that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the parts >> content have to come from the US. >> >> In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian >> content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: >> >> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> >> >>> You are partly correct, the remaining 30% were shipped in from far away, >>> as in imported, like most of the parts in the other Toyotas assembled in >>> the US. >> Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian >> plants, not from overseas. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not >>>>> want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>>>> requirement in the UAW contract >>>> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the parts >>>> be made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that Toyota >>>> didn't want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only 11% of the >>>> parts where made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest had to be >>>> shipped in from far away. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't >>>>>>> recall >>>>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same thing >>>>>>> over >>>>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>>>>>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>>>> >>>>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone >>>>>> and >>>>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. > >
From: Mike Hunter on 1 Feb 2010 19:12 Where do you get the idea they have 61% and 65% "American" content? Need I say it again, do your own homework to find the information you seek "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:I6idnUJDZeqNyfrWnZ2dnUVZ_o9i4p2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> Duh! The content part of the contract refers parts and materials that >> must equal 70% American. > > Then why is NUMMI breaking the contract, making cars with 61% and 65% > American content? > >> Using American steel alone, rather then steel imported from Japan like >> is in most other Jap cars assembled in the US, adds a great deal to the >> content requirement. >> >> You are referring the NA parts content that is meaningless, even Camrys >> made in Japan carry a label that says it has NA parts. LOL > > Yet, I am talking about the models made only in the NUMMI plant. > > Again, you fail to demonstrate that that contract exists. > > jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:mr2dnZFi3o7DsvvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the >>>> UAW contract, did you not understand? >>> I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect in >>> that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the >>> parts content have to come from the US. >>> >>> In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian >>> content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: >>> >>> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> >>> >>>> You are partly correct, the remaining 30% were shipped in from far >>>> away, as in imported, like most of the parts in the other Toyotas >>>> assembled in the US. >>> Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian >>> plants, not from overseas. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not >>>>>> want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>>>>> requirement in the UAW contract >>>>> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the parts >>>>> be made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that Toyota >>>>> didn't want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only 11% of the >>>>> parts where made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest had to be >>>>> shipped in from far away. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't >>>>>>>> recall >>>>>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same >>>>>>>> thing over >>>>>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>>>>>>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>>>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>>>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. >>
From: dr_jeff on 1 Feb 2010 19:43 Mike Hunter wrote: > Where do you get the idea they have 61% and 65% "American" content? From the link from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The one I posted. They are the people who are supposed to follow the domestic content of cars. > Need I say it again, do your own homework to find the information you seek I did. And, instead of claiming some commerce department website that doesn't exist, I posted the website. Jeff > "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message > news:I6idnUJDZeqNyfrWnZ2dnUVZ_o9i4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Duh! The content part of the contract refers parts and materials that >>> must equal 70% American. >> Then why is NUMMI breaking the contract, making cars with 61% and 65% >> American content? >> >>> Using American steel alone, rather then steel imported from Japan like >>> is in most other Jap cars assembled in the US, adds a great deal to the >>> content requirement. >>> >>> You are referring the NA parts content that is meaningless, even Camrys >>> made in Japan carry a label that says it has NA parts. LOL >> Yet, I am talking about the models made only in the NUMMI plant. >> >> Again, you fail to demonstrate that that contract exists. >> >> jeff >> >>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>> news:mr2dnZFi3o7DsvvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>> What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the >>>>> UAW contract, did you not understand? >>>> I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect in >>>> that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the >>>> parts content have to come from the US. >>>> >>>> In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian >>>> content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: >>>> >>>> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> >>>> >>>>> You are partly correct, the remaining 30% were shipped in from far >>>>> away, as in imported, like most of the parts in the other Toyotas >>>>> assembled in the US. >>>> Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian >>>> plants, not from overseas. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>>> news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not >>>>>>> want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>>>>>> requirement in the UAW contract >>>>>> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the parts >>>>>> be made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that Toyota >>>>>> didn't want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only 11% of the >>>>>> parts where made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest had to be >>>>>> shipped in from far away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff >>>>>> >>>>>>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't >>>>>>>>> recall >>>>>>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same >>>>>>>>> thing over >>>>>>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>>>>>>>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>>>>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>>>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>>>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>>>>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac gone >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. >
From: Mike Hunter on 1 Feb 2010 20:29
Get real North American content INCLUDES Canada, and the parts that are assembled from IMPORTED component parts and IMPORTED materials, dummy "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:IYSdnWWParTR6PrWnZ2dnUVZ_jpi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> Where do you get the idea they have 61% and 65% "American" content? > > From the link from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The > one I posted. They are the people who are supposed to follow the domestic > content of cars. > >> Need I say it again, do your own homework to find the information you >> seek > > I did. And, instead of claiming some commerce department website that > doesn't exist, I posted the website. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:I6idnUJDZeqNyfrWnZ2dnUVZ_o9i4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Duh! The content part of the contract refers parts and materials that >>>> must equal 70% American. >>> Then why is NUMMI breaking the contract, making cars with 61% and 65% >>> American content? >>> >>>> Using American steel alone, rather then steel imported from Japan like >>>> is in most other Jap cars assembled in the US, adds a great deal to the >>>> content requirement. >>>> >>>> You are referring the NA parts content that is meaningless, even Camrys >>>> made in Japan carry a label that says it has NA parts. LOL >>> Yet, I am talking about the models made only in the NUMMI plant. >>> >>> Again, you fail to demonstrate that that contract exists. >>> >>> jeff >>> >>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:mr2dnZFi3o7DsvvWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> What part of, 70% of parts made in the US as was a requirement in the >>>>>> UAW contract, did you not understand? >>>>> I understand your statement. It is quite simple. And it is incorrect >>>>> in that there is no contract between the UAW and NUMMI that 70% of the >>>>> parts content have to come from the US. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, last year, the Vibe and Matrix had 61% and 65% US/Canadian >>>>> content, respectively. You're welcome to check for yourself, here: >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=539ed5c474a5a110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD&viewType=standard&detailViewURL=/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.bead436724af02e770f6df1020008a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX> >>>>> >>>>>> You are partly correct, the remaining 30% were shipped in from far >>>>>> away, as in imported, like most of the parts in the other Toyotas >>>>>> assembled in the US. >>>>> Most of the parts in Toyotas built in the US come from US and Canadian >>>>> plants, not from overseas. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>>>> news:0eednSfKfvUjg_vWnZ2dnUVZ_sNi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>>> Get real! Toyota pulled our after GM gave up because they did not >>>>>>>> want to pay union wages or use 70% of parts made in the US as was a >>>>>>>> requirement in the UAW contract >>>>>>> Get Real yourself. There never was a requirement that 70% of the >>>>>>> parts be made in the US. (If I am wrong, prove it.) It's true that >>>>>>> Toyota didn't want to pay UAW wages. Another problem is that only >>>>>>> 11% of the parts where made within 400 mi of the plant. So the rest >>>>>>> had to be shipped in from far away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:ltednfuRl5yVnPvWnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.31.20.26.00.980275(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Toyota pulled out of NUMMI after GM suggested something, I can't >>>>>>>>>> recall >>>>>>>>>> now, but it was something similar to Democrats trying the same >>>>>>>>>> thing over >>>>>>>>>> and over and expecting a different result, and Toyota said, >>>>>>>>>> "ENOUGH!!!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was discussed on the group some time ago. >>>>>>>>> IIRC, GM pulled out related to the cost cutting times around the >>>>>>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>>>>>> The plant had always been a disaster, too expensive. >>>>>>>>> Toyota had no reason to continue to use this plant with Pontiac >>>>>>>>> gone and >>>>>>>>> no Vibe to make. The high cost of California did this one it. >> |